# Bundy's remarks about African-Americans were arguably stupid, and ignorant and offensive but.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2014, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000 "2014-04-25T23:35:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/41 "2014-04-26T17:54:27Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > (Try getting THAT image out of you head!) Please PM me your address. My therapist needs to know where to send the bill. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/42 "2014-04-26T19:01:18Z")
I’ve seen some of the buzz about this on the internet, and I’m puzzled by the fact that no one is discussing some of the particularly weird things he said. First of all, he blames abortions on government subsidies. He would also presumably blame actually going ahead and having the children on government subsidies. Is this a coded reference to promiscuity, or is the recrimination just fuzzy in his head? Then, he suggests that black people are putting their young men in jail. Um, who is putting young blacks in jail again? Then, he seems to think that the institution of slavery preserved black families? My understanding is that one of the horrors of slavery was that families were broken up at the whim of slaveholders. Someone on [Slate](http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/04/24/cliven_bundy_and_some_conservative_pundits_are_not_so_different.html) addressed this issue. It turns out that this is a known right-wing meme, that “slavery was better for black people than welfare.” That’s such a nutty claim, I’m surprised Bundy’s invocation of it is mostly going uncommented on. Someone on Salon felt the need to coin a term [racial concern trolling](http://www.salon.com/2014/04/26/cliven_bundy_and_racial_concern_trolling_why_the_ranchers_bigoted_rant_means_more_doom_for_the_gop/) (as though condescending to minorities wasn’t already part of what was meant by ‘concern trolling’). What the OP wants to take as non-racist because it’s spoken as if in a spirit of concern is simply an example of a well-known rhetorical tactic. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/43 "2014-04-26T19:04:06Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > New boy in the neighborhood > Lives downstairs and it is understood. > He’s there just to take good care of me, > Like he’s one of the family. > > Jews in Charge > Of our days and our nights > Jews in Charge > Of our wrongs and our rights > > And I sing, I want, > I want Jews in Charge of me. > Naah, I’m not buying it either. I read this thread then went off to do dishes. “Strange,” I thought, “I have a weird song in my head. It’s… MOTHERFUCKER IT’S THE THEME TO CHARLES IN CHARGE!” So I hate you now. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/44 "2014-04-26T19:13:15Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > It has [two porticoes](http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/residence.htm). A [portico](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/portico?s=t) counts as a porch, right? Sure, [as long as there’s a sofa on it.](http://vanishingsouthgeorgia.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/isabella-ga-worth-county-ghost-town-abandoned-vernacular-farmhouse-couch-on-front-porch-dark-clouds-rural-southern-decay-pictures-photo-copyright-brian-brown-vanishing-south-georgia-usa.jpg). 😃 His remarks were racist. His “girlfriend” has had her eyes opened up wide, if they were not before. Either she’ll swallow ( ahem ) her pride and ethics to stay with a sugardaddy, or she’ll beat it out of there for good. What a piece of work. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/45 "2014-04-26T19:26:21Z")
There is a single “housing project” in North Las Vegas at this time as there were two and has since been demolished. If Bundy was referring t that one he’s roughly 12 years too late or he’s simply talking out of his ass. If he was referring the “Black” area of North Las (concentrated around the downtown area of **North Las Vegas** ) that’s simply a lower income neighborhood and not a housing project Also, as I stated on another thread, the housing project that I know of in Las Vegas is not on a main drag and there would little to no reason for a person who did not know someone in the area, wasn’t very lost or wasn’t trying to either score drugs or a stray hooker to go down there. Metinks Bundy is full of Bravo Sierra ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/46 "2014-04-26T20:38:25Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I read this thread then went off to do dishes. “Strange,” I thought, “I have a weird song in my head. It’s… MOTHERFUCKER IT’S THE THEME TO CHARLES IN CHARGE!” > > So I hate you now. That song was the first thing that popped into my mind just seeing the phrase Jews in Charge. I’m pretty sure I hate myself worse than you do. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/47 "2014-04-26T20:55:17Z")
The idiocy of the claim that sans explicit hate racism is not racism roundly mocked (that rant is about as racist as it comes and would be even he spoke it out of _love_ for those he believes are his inferiors) there is more here. More than his imagined housing project and imagined Old South of intact happy slave families singing joyfully pickin’ cotton. An interesting take about what brought about his rant and its actual insight [in the NYT](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/25/upshot/cliven-bundy-accidentally-explained-whats-wrong-with-the-republican-party.html?hp). > [@](#): > > How did Mr. Bundy even get on this topic? It turns out, Mr. Bundy’s mind ran to the condition of black Americans because the activists who have flocked to his ranch to defend his right not to pay grazing fees are almost all white. > > The Washington Post later obtained video of his remarks and it quotes him: “Where is our colored brother? Where is our Mexican brother? Where is our Chinese? Where are they? They’re just as much American as we are, and they’re not with us. If they’re not with us, they’re going to be against us.” > > Mr. Bundy, weirdly, is onto something here. The rush to stand with Mr. Bundy against the Bureau of Land Management is the latest incarnation of conservative antigovernment messaging. And nonwhites are not interested, because a gut-level aversion to the government is almost exclusively a white phenomenon. … ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/48 "2014-04-26T21:17:57Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > That song was the first thing that popped into my mind just seeing the phrase Jews in Charge. I’m pretty sure I hate myself worse than you do. Not possible! ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/49 "2014-04-26T21:28:05Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > That song was the first thing that popped into my mind just seeing the phrase Jews in Charge. I’m pretty sure I hate myself worse than you do. I had to leave the thread for awhile after reading it, just to recover. 🙂 Very funny! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/50 "2014-04-26T22:17:51Z")
> [@](#): > > The Washington Post later obtained video of his remarks and it quotes him: “Where is our colored brother? Where is our Mexican brother? Where is our Chinese? Where are they? They’re just as much American as we are, and they’re not with us. If they’re not with us, they’re going to be against us.” I guess they just don’t like people who sponge off the government…😉 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/51 "2014-04-27T02:03:15Z")
I have coined a new term. The OP doesn’t mean to be racist. The OP doesn’t even think he IS racist, because racist doesn’t mean what people think it means as far as he’s concerned. The OP is “The Accidental Racist”. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/52 "2014-04-27T02:18:34Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I have coined a new term. The OP doesn’t mean to be racist. The OP doesn’t even think he IS racist, because racist doesn’t mean what people think it means as far as he’s concerned. > > The OP is “The Accidental Racist”. Perhaps Geena Davis will win another undeserved Oscar for co-starring in the film version of the OP’s life.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/53 "2014-04-27T02:37:18Z")
Normally I hate posts that just link to videos … but Rachel Maddow has a pretty scathing backstory about the inherent racism of the whole sovereign citizen movement and of Mr. Bundy in particular. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/54 "2014-04-27T03:12:12Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I have coined a new term. The OP doesn’t mean to be racist. The OP doesn’t even think he IS racist, because racist doesn’t mean what people think it means as far as he’s concerned. > > The OP is “The Accidental Racist”. Brad Paisley and LL cool J beat you to it. Probably one of the most awkward, cringe inducing songs of all time. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/55 "2014-04-27T06:47:28Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I have coined a new term. The OP doesn’t mean to be racist. The OP doesn’t even think he IS racist, because racist doesn’t mean what people think it means as far as he’s concerned. > > The OP is “The Accidental Racist”. Does that mean he always carries a copy of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” with him when he flies so he won’t have to engage with the racists around him? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/56 "2014-04-27T06:56:44Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > Does that mean he always carries a copy of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” with him when he flies so he won’t have to engage with the racists around him? I’m sure he’s happy to chat with anyone he thinks is a Jew to praise them for the fine job they’re doing. Blacks – eh, they might not understand, and he feels really bad about that. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/57 "2014-04-27T07:54:45Z")
Then he’d be carrying a copy of Leon Uris’s “Exodus”. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/58 "2014-04-27T09:48:15Z")
> [@vd](#): > > Mesquite infused Tasty! Where does the line start? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/59 "2014-04-27T18:01:57Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > **OP**. > > You’ve been here for 17 months. You have 47 posts. > > But…You have started 21 threads, many of which (in my opinion) are slanted towards discussing/contesting news stories about minorities. Not all, but many. I also vote troll. Not a classic troll. But you’re not looking for belonging to a community. You’re looking to promote your agenda. > > Many of your threads --I don’t understand your motivation. Specifically, it’s [racial concern trolling](http://www.salon.com/2014/04/26/cliven_bundy_and_racial_concern_trolling_why_the_ranchers_bigoted_rant_means_more_doom_for_the_gop/). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/60 "2014-04-27T18:05:14Z")
> [@kstarnes](#): > > Put another way, I’m just saying that stupidity and ignorance can be fought with more speech, education, and conversation but we should limit the use that term ‘racist’ to those who are truly hostile and hateful. Why? The minstrel-show form of racism, that looks on blacks with affection but contempt, is no less pernicious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000.md?page=4)