# Bundy's remarks about African-Americans were arguably stupid, and ignorant and offensive but.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2014, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000 "2014-04-25T23:35:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/61 "2014-04-28T15:33:39Z")
> [@kstarnes](#): > > Again, the remarks were stupid and ignorant and offensive but shouldn’t be construed as ‘racist’ without overt hostility or hate. Statements like these serve two and only two purposes: they let racists get away with racism, and they identify the speakers as total morons. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/62 "2014-04-28T15:51:47Z")
Listen, I don’t hate midgets. I just thik they should wear baggy pants, hats with bells on them, and fucking dance for my amusement all day. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/63 "2014-04-28T16:00:15Z")
I think it’s a damn shame that Bundy was so overtly racist. Because the right supporting him really does provide a truly beautiful example of right-wing hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/64 "2014-04-28T16:13:01Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I think it’s a damn shame that Bundy was so overtly racist. Because the right supporting him really does provide a truly beautiful example of right-wing hypocrisy. To clarify, (I hope) you mean the racism diverts attention from the more important RW hypocrisy of the original cause for which they rallied 'round him. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/65 "2014-04-28T16:42:09Z")
I’m sure for some, the statements gave them a cover for backing down after realizing “Holy fuck, Hannity’s wrong, I need to get out of this shitpile pronto”. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/66 "2014-04-28T19:54:10Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > Has the OP been sucking off the teat of Paula Dean or something? > > (Try getting THAT image out of you head!) I’ll be in ma bunk… …weeping. > [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > Tasty! Where does the line start? At the local BLM office in about a week. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/67 "2014-04-28T20:28:33Z")
Hostility and racism are two separate dimensions. Another is stupidity. OP get to fuck-stepping, you stupid fuck. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/68 "2014-04-28T20:59:22Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Listen, I don’t hate midgets. I just thik they should wear baggy pants, hats with bells on them, and fucking dance for my amusement all day. 😕 Don’t they do that now?! ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/69 "2014-04-28T21:20:36Z")
_and so what I’ve testified to you – I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire._ > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m surprised no one has commented on this statement from post #13:How did he get involved in _that_? He was watching TV. Anyway, I struggled to decide for a long time which I would rather do for 40 years: _Take the government dime, and sit on a concrete sidewalk._ Or _Pick cotton in the blazing sun, live in a shed, have my family sold away from me and be encouraged with a lash for no pay._ I chose the one that diminishes my self-respect and doesn’t include being touched up with a whip. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/70 "2014-04-28T22:56:09Z")
not everyone liked the media coverage Fox News’ Howard Kurtz Slams Fox News Coverage of Cliven Bundy > **[Fox News’ Howard Kurtz Slams Fox News Coverage of Cliven Bundy (Video)](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/news/fox-news-howard-kurtz-slams-fox-news-coverage-173800389.html)** > > Howard Kurtz took his own network to task for going silent on coverage of controversial rancher Cliven Bundy after the news broke that he had made racially inflammatory remarks against African-Americans. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/71 "2014-04-29T02:19:58Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Seriously? You don’t think the remarks you quoted are [racist](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist)? > > You’re either trolling or stupid. Go away. Really love the first definition of racism by the World English Dictionary. It’s the first one I’ve seen that unarguably includes so-called “scientific” racism. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/72 "2014-04-29T07:03:56Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > To clarify, (I hope) you mean the racism diverts attention from the more important RW hypocrisy of the original cause for which they rallied 'round him. Exactly. An old, white rancher says something offensively racist? Meh. An old, white rancher basically lives off government subsidies, steals government land for decades, and brings a bunch of armed friends when the government decides that enough is enough and tries to remove his cattle from federal land? It’s the equivalent of FOX News backing someone committing welfare fraud (á la Reagan’s classic “Welfare Queen” myth) who then screams “get your dirty government hands off my welfare!” and waves a gun around when the local officials cut off her welfare under all but her real name and address. Of course, if that was what was going on, FOX would be screaming about how the government should have arrested that lazy welfare queen… ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/73 "2014-04-29T08:54:37Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I have coined a new term. The OP doesn’t mean to be racist. The OP doesn’t even think he IS racist, because racist doesn’t mean what people think it means as far as he’s concerned. > > The OP is “The Accidental Racist”. Or perhaps the Melchior effect where the OP redefines any word or words they choose to meet their needs. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/74 "2014-04-29T09:24:37Z")
> [@kstarnes](#): > > This thread is a call to reduce the amount of ‘racism-shaming,’ and to tighten and define properly what it means to be racist. The term is too promiscuously used. I’m against that. . Fuck No. FUCK NO! FUUUUCK NOOO! Racist aren’t shamed _enough_ on this board. And the word is used where it fits. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/75 "2014-04-29T10:40:48Z")
+1 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000/76 "2014-04-29T10:49:29Z")
For some reason, the first time around I overlooked the qualifier “obviously” in the OP. As if perhaps there was some room for debate around whether the comments were stupid or offensive. I think abjectly is the more fitting word to plug in there, dumbass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bundys-remarks-about-african-americans-were-arguably-stupid-and-ignorant-and-offensive-but/687000.md?page=3)