# Burning books in the US...'Burn Quran Day' **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 20, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891 "2010-08-20T17:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/301 "2010-09-01T14:49:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I really need to go into the book business and put out loads of books that really offend people. Imagine how many of those Qurans they’re buying just so they can burn them. The paper edition or the [Kindle edition](http://xkcd.com/750/)? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/302 "2010-09-01T14:50:16Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Yes, Muslims live in peace with people of other faiths, but usually when they are the minority and have little choice in the matter. Otherwise, when Muslims are the majority you usually have some form of Sharia as the basis for the law and all sorts of nuttiness derived because of it. Indonesia is the world’s most populous Muslim-majority nation with 86% of the population reportedly Muslim. A quick glance at the Wiki says “Although religious freedom is stipulated in the Indonesian constitution, the government officially recognizes only six religions: Islam, Protestantism, Roman Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Confucianism.” That’s not complete religious freedom but it’s not the “nuttiness” we associate with Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East (which is as much socio-political as it is religious) either. It does kind of suck if you’re Jewish though. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/303 "2010-09-01T14:52:52Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The Christian religions have evolved considerably since Martin Luther. The same cannot be said of nations with Islamic leadership. Whelp, I guess the Sunni, Shi’a, Sufis and other sub-divisions of Islam can pack their gear and call the feud off. \*\*Magiver \*\*has spoken : Islam hasn’t budged an inch since Muhammad. You muzzies are officially all the same, now. On the other hand, it does mean that the Muslim Brotherhood you so fear is about to gain 'bout half a billion dudes as a result. You might want to call the Grand Re-unification of Islam off, Mac. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/304 "2010-09-01T14:59:57Z")
> [@](#): > > …It does kind of suck if you’re Jewish though. Well, of course not Jewish! Their holy book is full of slaughter and massacre, certainly can’t trust the Jews. (The previous is offered as sarcasm. If you cannot or did not immediately perceive the sarcasm, do not operate heavy machine or attempt to make your own oatmeal. You are too stupid.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/305 "2010-09-01T15:03:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > (The previous is offered as sarcasm. If you cannot or did not immediately perceive the sarcasm, do not operate heavy machine or attempt to make your own oatmeal. You are too stupid.) Awwww… \ ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/306 "2010-09-01T15:33:58Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Muslims are people like any other, but the difference is that their book condones what we would consider to be evil actions. > Yes, Muslims live in peace with people of other faiths, but usually when they are the minority and have little choice in the matter. Otherwise, when Muslims are the majority you usually have some form of Sharia as the basis for the law and all sorts of nuttiness derived because of it. Uzi quick Quiz: Which passage comes from the bible and which comes from the Koran Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. So go you both to him and say: Surely we are two apostles of your Lord; therefore send the children of Israel with us and do not torment them! Indeed we have brought to you a communication from your Lord, and peace is on him who follows the guidance; ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/307 "2010-09-01T15:42:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I didn’t say anything about child rape. I was talking about bombings. > > And my point was that if you can use examples of Muslim bombings (all of yours taken from actual or virtual warzones) to paint the entire religion as violent, one could do the same for the Catholics and other religions. Heck, the Hindus and Catholics of the Tamil Tigers engaged in ethnic cleansing \*against \*Tamil Muslims for years, killing over 370 in the summer of 1990 alone, and sent suicide bombers to Buddhist shrines. And of course we all know what happened to the Bosnian Muslims. Despite your snide insinuations Muslims hardly hold the patent on mindless violence. > > You are deliberately picking and choosing your data to portray all Muslims as bloodthirsty savages while deliberately ignoring similar barbarity amongst members of other groups, other factors (such as active states of war) that would contribute to the violence and the peaceful co-existence of the vast majority of Muslims in the world with people of other faiths. If you want a serious debate about the links between religious fundamentalism in Islam and the rise of modern terrorism I’ll be happy to have one once you demonstrate some intent to argue in good faith and with relevant facts at your disposal. > > And why aren’t you talking to the Muslims? They don’t bite (apart from **Angua** and then only during full moons). You might be surprised. Sorry about that I kind of lump all violent and hideous crimes into one bucket for this conversation, perhaps I should have said baby bombing and bus blowing up by muslims. you said: And my point was that if you can use examples of Muslim bombings (all of yours taken from actual or virtual warzones) to paint the entire religion as violent, one could do the same for the Catholics and other religions. Ok, about as many civilians were killed by Muslims in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of conflict in Northern Ireland (3,181 killed in Ireland). Reference: [CAIN: Violence - Annual Deaths in Northern Ireland, by 'Status' of Person Killed, August 1969 to December 1995](http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/death95w.htm) The list goes on and on without end, at about 5-6 terrorist attacks daily reported from fairly valid sources as news papers and government reports go. It adds up daily to huge slaughter all laid at the feet of the religion of peace, Islam. You do not get to set your own standards if a terrorist attack is justified or not as in this case that just came up. [http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/08/31/2010-08](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/08/31/2010-08) this was also reported on AP Hamas claims responsibility for ambush that killed four Israeli settlers, one a pregnant woman This was a drive by shooting to make a political point as some sort of peace talks were started. What is not included (or try not to be included as it is hard to tell some times) is when two armies make a stand and try to gun each other down in open combat. That is not counted as a terrorist attack. Come, and stop playing your silly games, of course Islam justifies the slaughter they do to children of non-believers, or to those they think are helping the evil west, like human aid workers, what filthy criminals do not! Terrorist attacks is what Mohammed (630 AD) commanded to do as he raided caravans, assassinated the competition, and proclaimed a commandment to strike terror in the heart of the non-believer. Not to mention plain old opportunity to kill the enemy’s of Allah in vigilante crimes because the Koran says to do it, or they do not like the Christian church next door, and the muslim thinks Mohammad would burn it down if he was here. This does not even mention the 5,000 plus a year of honor killings where a man thinks his wife is leaving Islam so he has the Koran backing to kill her as an apostate, or even kill his own daughter if she gets too “westernized”. You are trying to defend what is NOT defendable, Islam is an absolute shit hole of savageness and brutality all backed up by the koran, hadith, and Mullahs where ever Muslims gather. Are there some—even ONE Muslim— that refuses these evil deeds that are direct commandments in the koran? Yes, but I have NO idea why they still call them selves Muslim, unless some other muslin has gun to their head or holding their family hostage. In Islam (Koran and Hadith) all apostates are to be killed by the closest available Muslim. And if that not work all Islamic counties make leaving Islam a capital crime with a death sentence in their Koran Sheria laws. You are dealing with a savage cult here whose god given senses are warped that need to relearned as to what is right and wrong. Of course non-Muslims commit filthy criminal acts— but the difference is NOT in the name of religion! And in the USA we track those criminals down and delver the full force of our criminal justice system, even the death sentence where applicable. And Muslims damn well know that in the USA we are serious about fighting crimes, and we are NOT going to take the shit of law breakers any longer. In the USA we read and KNOW the Koran and we KNOW what muslims are up to and how they LIE their ASS off about their religion. And God Damn IT we will burn their koran in public in protest to tell them all about it. I cannot even open a daily paper from over seas and not see a big pile of dead bodies, or some lovely child ripped apart, laying at the feet of some filthy Muslim inspired by the Koran and hadith. The best thing Muslims can do when they step on to USA ground is put the koran in the trash where it belongs and walk away from it. They can convert to any one of a hundreds gods of peace, or none at all, and I could care less. But do not be standing there saying Islam is peace when there is a big pile of dead bodies at their feet, as I do not buy it. And one last point why are Muslims some what law abiding in the USA, it certainly is NOT their religion. Because 1 in 4 citizens have guns, and if any Muslim slugs come on to private property trying their midnight terrorist attack they will be shot dead a rock. It is our right in the Grand USA to protect our family and goods with fire power when needed and that we do be it from Muslims or any other filthy criminal. We are law abiding in this country and we are going to stay that way no matter what the child rapist Mohammad says in the Koran. Don ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/308 "2010-09-01T15:51:39Z")
Imagine the Muslim wrought carnage to the north.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/309 "2010-09-01T15:54:51Z")
> [@](#): > > …no matter what the child rapist Mohammad says in the Koran May the sweet Baby Jesus shut your mouth and open your heart. ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/310 "2010-09-01T15:57:28Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > And one last point why are Muslims some what law abiding in the USA, it certainly is NOT their religion. Because 1 in 4 citizens have guns, and if any Muslim slugs come on to private property trying their midnight terrorist attack they will be shot dead a rock. It is our right in the Grand USA to protect our family and goods with fire power when needed and that we do be it from Muslims or any other filthy criminal. We are law abiding in this country and we are going to stay that way no matter what the child rapist Mohammad says in the Koran. Oh, good grief! :rolleyes: If a determined terrorist is determined to come onto your property for the purposes of enacting terrorism I’m sure they will make use of two important things to nullify your fire power: 1. Even more fire power of their own. 2. Surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/311 "2010-09-01T16:10:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Indonesia is the world’s most populous Muslim-majority nation with 86% of the population reportedly Muslim. A quick glance at the Wiki says “Although religious freedom is stipulated in the Indonesian constitution, the government officially recognizes only six religions: Islam, Protestantism, Roman Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Confucianism.” That’s not complete religious freedom but it’s not the “nuttiness” we associate with Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East (which is as much socio-political as it is religious) either. It does kind of suck if you’re Jewish though. 52% of Muslims in Indonesia support some form of Sharia [Link](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/indonesia/2187933/Indonesia-backs-sharia-law-poll-shows.html) Another related [Link](http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2650&Itemid=175) And another [Link](http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/09/18/indonesias-sharia-push-may-scare-investors-moderates/) ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/312 "2010-09-01T16:13:23Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. You mean the old testament which both Christians AND Muslims revere? ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/313 "2010-09-01T16:19:04Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > > [@Uzi](#): > > > > Muslims are people like any other, but the difference is that their book condones what we would consider to be evil actions. > > Yes, Muslims live in peace with people of other faiths, but usually when they are the minority and have little choice in the matter. Otherwise, when Muslims are the majority you usually have some form of Sharia as the basis for the law and all sorts of nuttiness derived because of it. > > Uzi quick Quiz: > > Which passage comes from the bible and which comes from the Koran > > Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. > > So go you both to him and say: Surely we are two apostles of your Lord; therefore send the children of Israel with us and do not torment them! Indeed we have brought to you a communication from your Lord, and peace is on him who follows the guidance; Look I’m not going to argue your bull shit of justifying one heinous crime with another. IF Islam is so great, why is the world’s carnage laid at their feet in this modern age? Don’t bother answering, as we both know why— Islam is a savage brain dead cult. SO if a heinous crime is in the bible OT, it is OK for Muslims to do the same---- YOU are some what weak in your argument. See how nice I am, I did not even call you a bad name. But for the record, if it makes you happy, throw the OT on the fire also and teach the Catholics a lesson. Some one has to take a stand for what is right and wrong, and certainly Muslims and their sympathizers will not, so I will do it. And it is not like I am trying to hide any thing as the bible comes off the shelf to be read. Look this up “Dark bible” on google. Don ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/314 "2010-09-01T16:22:51Z")
I think what we can all take away from this thread is : **Don123** is good law 'biding folk, and he’ll shoot any sumbitch try and sez different ! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/315 "2010-09-01T16:24:14Z")
> [@qpw3141](#): > > If a determined terrorist is determined to come onto your property for the purposes of enacting terrorism I’m sure they will make use of two important things to nullify your fire power: > > 1. Even more fire power of their own. > 2. Surprise. You forget fear. So a Muslim terrorist’s three weapons are fire power, surprise, fear, and an almost fanatical devotion to Osama…A Muslim terrorist’s **four** weapons are fire power, surprise, fear, an almost fanatical devotion to Osama, and pretty nice headgear. Damn it, I got my Fox talking points mixed up. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/316 "2010-09-01T16:25:00Z")
> [@](#): > > You mean the old testament which both Christians AND Muslims revere? Not strictly true, at least not historically. For centuries, Christians regarded the Old Testament as irrelevant, having been superseded by Jesus’ ministry. The revival of interest in the Old Testament is a relatively recent development. I recommend to you _Bible and Sword_ by Barbara Tuchman, of _Guns of August_ fame. ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/317 "2010-09-01T16:34:17Z")
> [@qpw3141](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > And one last point why are Muslims some what law abiding in the USA, it certainly is NOT their religion. Because 1 in 4 citizens have guns, and if any Muslim slugs come on to private property trying their midnight terrorist attack they will be shot dead a rock. It is our right in the Grand USA to protect our family and goods with fire power when needed and that we do be it from Muslims or any other filthy criminal. We are law abiding in this country and we are going to stay that way no matter what the child rapist Mohammad says in the Koran. > > Oh, good grief! :rolleyes: > > If a determined terrorist is determined to come onto your property for the purposes of enacting terrorism I’m sure they will make use of two important things to nullify your fire power: > > 1. Even more fire power of their own. > 2. Surprise. So you give up and convert to islam out of theiir threats and the first thing you have to do in your conversion to Mohammad is kill non-believers, jews, and Christians. How nice you are. Well I’m not going to raise my hand to my neighbor without due cause, and some stupid brain dead “idiot Allah” is not a good cause. But if you convert to islam and come around my house on to my personal property looking for trouble, or to do the will of the child rapist Mohammad, you just might take your life in your own hands and then loose it. And on the streets and in public and you are a muslim— you are marked meat and watched, you step out of line and you will do the time in prision or jail. Don ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/318 "2010-09-01T16:37:53Z")
Just what is the board policy on calling someone out as an Internet Tough Guy in GD? ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/319 "2010-09-01T16:41:03Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > > [@qpw3141](#): > > > > Oh, good grief! :rolleyes: > > > > If a determined terrorist is determined to come onto your property for the purposes of enacting terrorism I’m sure they will make use of two important things to nullify your fire power: > > > > 1. Even more fire power of their own. > > 2. Surprise. > > So you give up and convert to islam out of theiir threats and the first thing you have to do in your conversion to Mohammad is kill non-believers, jews, and Christians. > > How nice you are. 😕 Did you just type some words more or less at random? > [@](#): > > Well I’m not going to raise my hand to my neighbor without due cause, and some stupid brain dead “idiot Allah” is not a good cause. But if you convert to islam and come around my house on to my personal property looking for trouble, or to do the will of the child rapist Mohammad, you just might take your life in your own hands and then loose it. You might. Or they might just get in first with superior fire power. You know, like the Christians who murder family planning doctors do. > [@](#): > > And on the streets and in public and you are a muslim— you are marked meat and watched, you step out of line and you will do the time in prision or jail. You just typed some more words more or less at random, right? ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/320 "2010-09-01T16:42:03Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > > [@qpw3141](#): > > > > If a determined terrorist is determined to come onto your property for the purposes of enacting terrorism I’m sure they will make use of two important things to nullify your fire power: > > > > 1. Even more fire power of their own. > > 2. Surprise. > > You forget fear. So a Muslim terrorist’s three weapons are fire power, surprise, fear, and an almost fanatical devotion to Osama…A Muslim terrorist’s **four** weapons are fire power, surprise, fear, an almost fanatical devotion to Osama, and pretty nice headgear. > > Damn it, I got my Fox talking points mixed up. Give 'em the comfy chair, that’s what I say! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=17)