# Burning books in the US...'Burn Quran Day' **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 20, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891 "2010-08-20T17:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/341 "2010-09-01T19:07:43Z")
They are gone to the place the candle flame goes when you blow it out. And if this shit keeps going, they’ll be joined by some innocent Americans. I’m against that. You? ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/342 "2010-09-01T19:40:14Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > And where are all the dead gays/non-believers? And by this I mean at the hands of Christians and not Muslims. There are quite a few buried in Northern Ireland. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/343 "2010-09-01T20:27:43Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > And where are all the dead gays/non-believers? And by this I mean at the hands of Christians and not Muslims. [/QUOTE] It happens, but there aren’t any predominantly Christian nations that have the death penalty for being gay. None that I know of, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/344 "2010-09-01T20:51:59Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > It happens, but there aren’t any predominantly Christian nations that have the death penalty for being gay. None that I know of, at least. Because the Christian fanatics who’d like such a penalty don’t have the power to put it into law in as many places as the Islamic fanatics do, such as in theocracies like Saudi Arabia. That’s the difference, not any imagined moral superiority of Christianity over Islam. American Christians are known to be heavily involved in the attempt to implement such a death penalty for homosexuals in Uganda; I see no reason to think they wouldn’t cheerfully put such a law into force in America if they could. ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/345 "2010-09-01T21:06:39Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > [@Uzi](#): > > > > It happens, but there aren’t any predominantly Christian nations that have the death penalty for being gay. None that I know of, at least. > > Because the Christian fanatics who’d like such a penalty don’t have the power to put it into law in as many places as the Islamic fanatics do, such as in theocracies like Saudi Arabia. That’s the difference, not any imagined moral superiority of Christianity over Islam. American Christians are known to be heavily involved in the attempt to implement such a death penalty for homosexuals in Uganda; I see no reason to think they wouldn’t cheerfully put such a law into force in America if they could. Maybe gays should have a jihad against American Christians. Oh, God, the madness in this thread is catching! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/346 "2010-09-01T21:08:47Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > There are quite a few buried in Northern Ireland. Except for the fact that it was a political conflict between the Irish and the English and did not involve Protestants and Catholics. Not only is it not promoted by religious leaders it is [expressly condemned](http://www.cbcpnews.net/?q=node/7831). ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/347 "2010-09-01T21:15:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Except for the fact that it was a political conflict between the Irish and the English and did not involve Protestants and Catholics. Not only is it not promoted by religious leaders it is [expressly condemned](http://www.cbcpnews.net/?q=node/7831). Hey, look, [Muslim leaders condemn terrorism](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/5111092.stm). Again, you are comparing extremist Muslims with non-extremist Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/348 "2010-09-01T21:16:47Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > ]Because the Christian fanatics who’d like such a penalty don’t have the power to put it into law in as many places as the Islamic fanatics do, such as in theocracies like Saudi Arabia. There are so many things wrong with that statement. First, we are a nation ruled predominately by Christian politicians. And second, most terrorist acts are committed by organized groups of people and not governments. Despite your view of the United States it is one of the most culturally diversified and tolerant nations on the planet. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/349 "2010-09-01T21:19:55Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > Except for the fact that it was a political conflict between the Irish and the English and did not involve Protestants and Catholics. Not only is it not promoted by religious leaders it is [expressly condemned](http://www.cbcpnews.net/?q=node/7831). > > Hey, look, [Muslim leaders condemn terrorism](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/5111092.stm). Again, you are comparing extremist Muslims with non-extremist Christians. No, I’m comparing the number of terrorist Muslims to terrorist Christians. I can find numerous quotes from people like [Abu Hamza al-Masri](Abu Hamza al-Masri) who would prefer England become part of a caliphate. ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/350 "2010-09-01T21:21:20Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Despite your view of the United States it is one of the most culturally diversified and tolerant nations on the planet. On the tolerance front, sadly, evidence would seem to demonstrate otherwise. And you seem to be one of the movers and shakers who would like to cut back on tolerance. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/351 "2010-09-01T21:21:37Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > > ]Because the Christian fanatics who’d like such a penalty don’t have the power to put it into law in as many places as the Islamic fanatics do, such as in theocracies like Saudi Arabia. > > There are so many things wrong with that statement. First, we are a nation ruled predominately by Christian politicians. Are you trying to equate “Christian politician” with “fanatic”? > [@Magiver](#): > > And second, most terrorist acts are committed by organized groups of people and not governments. Because if it’s done by a government it typically doesn’t get the terrorist label even if the same act would get such a label if it was performed by something other than a government. Not that I was even talking about terrorism; I was talking about genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/352 "2010-09-01T21:25:03Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I can find numerous quotes from people like [Abu Hamza al-Masri](Abu Hamza al-Masri) who would prefer England become part of a caliphate. And there are Christian fanatics who’d like to destroy civilization in order to bring on the Second Coming. Should we judge Christians by them the way you want us to judge Muslims by the tiny minority that are terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/353 "2010-09-01T21:29:55Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Are you trying to equate “Christian politician” with “fanatic”? No, I’m trying to equate Christian leaders with Muslim leaders. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because if it’s done by a government it typically doesn’t get the terrorist label even if the same act would get such a label if it was performed by something other than a government. Not that I was even talking about terrorism; I was talking about genocide. I missed the genocide committed by the United States. We stopped Saddam from wiping out the Kurds and we stopped the violence in Bosnia and we stopped Serbia from wiping out the Muslims in Montenegro. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/354 "2010-09-01T21:36:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > No, I’m comparing the number of terrorist Muslims to terrorist Christians. You’ve compared the Pope’s condemnation of Northern Ireland terrorism with extremist Muslim terrorists. > [@Magiver](#): > > I can find numerous quotes from people like [Abu Hamza al-Masri](Abu Hamza al-Masri) who would prefer England become part of a caliphate. You don’t think that Pat Robertson would love US laws to reflect his version of conservative Christianity? According to [this article](http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pat_quotes/hindus.htm) Robertson advocated keeping Hindus out of the US. Then there’s his blaming of 9/11 on homosexuals. This is a man who ran for president! What about Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority? This is different from Abu Hamza al-Masri how? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/355 "2010-09-01T21:39:35Z")
> [@qpw3141](#): > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > Despite your view of the United States it is one of the most culturally diversified and tolerant nations on the planet. > > On the tolerance front, sadly, evidence would seem to demonstrate otherwise. > > And you seem to be one of the movers and shakers who would like to cut back on tolerance. ☹ Really, how many Muslims have been slaughtered in the United States? In my neighborhood we have lots of Muslims and the last time some kid made fun of one of their elder’s for not speaking English the neighborhood poured out on the street and dumped buckets of verbal shit on the little darling. Criticizing the problems with Islamic terrorism does not in any way equate a lack of tolerance. We have mosques all over my city and state. We do not have anything statistically more intolerant of Islam than any other religion. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/356 "2010-09-01T21:46:00Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > And where are all the dead gays/non-believers? And by this I mean at the hands of Christians and not Muslims. [/QUOTE] > [@Uzi](#): > > It happens, but there aren’t any predominantly Christian nations that have the death penalty for being gay. None that I know of, at least. Uganda is trying to change that. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/357 "2010-09-01T21:46:03Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > And where are all the dead gays/non-believers? And by this I mean at the hands of Christians and not Muslims. Brandon Teena’s buried in Lincoln, Nebraska. Matthew Shepard was cremated, far as I can ascertain. Want more, or is your point addressed, sternly talked to and sent back home weeping ? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/358 "2010-09-01T21:50:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > > Are you trying to equate “Christian politician” with “fanatic”? > > No, I’m trying to equate Christian leaders with Muslim leaders. > > > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > > Because if it’s done by a government it typically doesn’t get the terrorist label even if the same act would get such a label if it was performed by something other than a government. Not that I was even talking about terrorism; I was talking about genocide. > > I missed the genocide committed by the United States. We stopped Saddam from wiping out the Kurds and we stopped the violence in Bosnia and we stopped Serbia from wiping out the Muslims in Montenegro. Actually, it was Serbs wiping out the Muslims in Bosnia-Hercegovina and Kosovo. Ethnic cleansing in Montenegro (which is christian) never got as bad as the Bosnian lands (at least that we know of). ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/359 "2010-09-01T22:03:13Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > You’ve compared the Pope’s condemnation of Northern Ireland terrorism with extremist Muslim terrorists. I made no such comparison. Your statement makes no sense. I pointed out that the actions were political in nature and were expressly condemned by religious leaders. It was not a religious war. > [@Deeg](#): > > You don’t think that Pat Robertson would love US laws to reflect his version of conservative Christianity? According to [this article](http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pat_quotes/hindus.htm) Robertson advocated keeping Hindus out of the US. Then there’s his blaming of 9/11 on homosexuals. This is a man who ran for president! What about Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority? This is different from Abu Hamza al-Masri how? Pat Robertson never promoted a religious caliphate and never advocated keeping Hindus out of the US. You didn’t read the article. He has never promoted violence. Abu hamza al-Masri convicted of soliciting to murder under the Offences against the Person Act 1861. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/360 "2010-09-01T22:28:05Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I made no such comparison. Your statement makes no sense. I pointed out that the actions were political in nature and were expressly condemned by religious leaders. It was not a religious war. This is an example of your selective reasoning. IYO Northern Ireland was not religious in nature because a religious leader (belatedly) condemned it. Of course you pay no attention to the Muslim leaders who are condemning current terrorist activity. > [@Deeg](#): > > Pat Robertson never promoted a religious caliphate and never advocated keeping Hindus out of the US. You didn’t read the article. He has never promoted violence. Abu hamza al-Masri convicted of soliciting to murder under the Offences against the Person Act 1861. If you don’t think that Pat Robertson wants a Christian equivalent to a religious caliphate in the US then I don’t know what else to tell you. Maybe he hasn’t been convicted of soliciting murder (there you go pulling out the extremists again) but he has constantly placed the blame for US disasters (like 9/11) on our un-Christian ways. If Roberts isn’t extremist enough for you, what about the knuckleheads on Storm Front? What about a presidential candidate who belonged to the KKK? You think the KKK is all puppies and kittens? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=19)