# Burning books in the US...'Burn Quran Day' **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 20, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891 "2010-08-20T17:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/441 "2010-09-02T22:50:11Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > Just ask the victims of 9/11—OH that is right, they are dead. > > You realize that at least 58 of the victims of 9/11 were themselves Muslims, that there were Muslim passengers on those planes, that there were Muslim employees in the towers and Muslim servicemembers in the Pentagon, and that there were Muslim police, firemen, and EMTs who were sent there that way. You also realize that most Islamic terrorism is against other Muslims. You realize all this, right? > > You don’t know much about Islam, and what’s worse is that most of what you know about Islam isn’t true. I have not found any documentation of any Muslims being killed in 9/11 other than the terrorist. Perhaps you would like to supply it? I have heard about Muslims being killed in the buildings and each year the numbers get larger and larger—funny how the dead can multiply. How does that happen? I have read about Muslims making claims that if any Muslims were killed in the buildings they are all happy now with 72 virgins in the bosom of Allah, and the Muslim terrorist did them a favor. How nice. Don ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/442 "2010-09-02T23:02:21Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > I will have to get back to you (soon I hope) on the Islamic golden age as of right now we are figuring on the best way to burn the Koran, and if we should or not > > Do consider, when making that important decision, that by doing so you implicitly forfeit your right to have an apoplectic shit fit any time Muslims, or communists, or students, or the French (the _French !_) burn an American flag for any reason whatsoever without rightly being fingered as a most craven hypocrite. > > Are you positively sure you want to permanently let go of so recreational an outrage ? > > Then again, you’ve already got that whole “All of them are intolerant, lock 'em all up !” shtick going, so maybe you’ve already got a contingency anti-cognitive dissonance plan for that eventuality. The French can burn the USA flag if they want to, there are no reports of the French government sending over suicide bombers to the USA, so I can have tolerance with them. We also need to consider what to do with the ashes of the Koran. I say we have a formal toilet flushing party, or perhaps dispose of them at a pig farm. Don ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/443 "2010-09-02T23:10:57Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > So? I have never claimed that Phelps (or Butler or Matthews or Rudolph or Franklin Graham) are not Christians. They are, as you note, at the extremes of the religion. So your straw man about “political correctness” is irrelevant to anything I have said. I never suggested you didn’t think Phelps wasn’t a Christian. There is no straw man. I pointed out that the politically correct thing to do was paint him as an extremist minority which is exactly how Islamic terrorists are portrayed. Beyond that the next expedient excuse is to assign some other common denominator to explain Islamic terrorism. It can’t be the religion, therefore it’s: poverty, oppression, government etc…. None of that explains the Bali attack which has nothing to do with poverty oppression or government. What does explain the attack is 50% of the Imams spreading hatred of other religions along with schools dedicated to the same message. The difference between Phelps and the Imams spreading the same hateful message is that he and his minions aren’t killing people. ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/444 "2010-09-02T23:19:35Z")
Muslims Resume Building on Christian Graveyard in Pakistan [http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/pakistan/24955/](http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/pakistan/24955/) Hard-line cleric defies local officials’ order to stop construction. SARGODHA, Pakistan, September 1 (CDN) — Muslims led by a hard-line cleric on Friday (Aug. 27) resumed building on a Christian cemetery in Mandi Bhawaldin, desecrating more graves in spite of a local government order to halt construction, according to the All Pakistan Minorities Alliance (APMA). OK that does it, we burn the koran and dump the ashes in a pig farm. Don ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/445 "2010-09-02T23:27:30Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > The French can burn the USA flag if they want to, there are no reports of the French government sending over suicide bombers to the USA, so I can have tolerance with them. What ?! Wake up, man, we sent Jean-Paul Gaultier in a skirt ! Do you not know an open act of war when you see one ? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/446 "2010-09-03T00:18:12Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > I have not found any documentation of any Muslims being killed in 9/11 other than the terrorist. Perhaps you would like to supply it? I have heard about Muslims being killed in the buildings and each year the numbers get larger and larger—funny how the dead can multiply. How does that happen? You have never looked for any such documentation. It would require you to actually engage in serious fact seeking rather than simply repeating the nonsense you pick up from the hate sites you enjoy patronizing. Here is one list: [http://islam.about.com/blvictims.htm](http://islam.about.com/blvictims.htm) > [@Don123](#): > > I have read about Muslims making claims that if any Muslims were killed in the buildings they are all happy now with 72 virgins in the bosom of Allah, and the Muslim terrorist did them a favor. How nice. The only place you would have read any such bullshit is on another “bash Islam” site. The “72 virgins” nonsense is a folk tale that is not part of Islam except in the way that a few odd Christians believe that little kids turn into angels when they die. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/447 "2010-09-03T00:19:28Z")
God damn it! Sooner or later, people are going to start dying. Innocent Muslims will be murdered here. And our enemies will shout it from the rooftops: “See! See! America hates Islam! We have to kill them!” And their recruiting centers will overflow with eager young idiots. So they will attack. And our own domestic variety of idiot will shout from the rooftops:“See! See! Islam hates America! We have to kill them!” And we, the rest of us, the sane, the tolerant…we can’t do anything but speak truth and fight ignorance. You can’t kill hate, you can’t fix stupid. Jesus wept. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/448 "2010-09-03T00:33:23Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I never suggested you didn’t think Phelps wasn’t a Christian. There is no straw man. I pointed out that the politically correct thing to do was paint him as an extremist minority which is exactly how Islamic terrorists are portrayed. “Political Correctness” is simply the term you hurl whenever you cannot substantiate one of your claims. It is an invention that allows you to ascribe to others thoughts that have not actually been expressed without having to actually support your claim. Posting such a claim in response to a post of mine was simply a way to change the subject (while getting the actual issue wrong). Are there some people who will do the “No True Scotsman” dance about Phelps? Sure. However they are as likely to be on the political Right (and thus opposed to “Political Correctness”) as they are to be on the political Left (and thus targets of accusations of “Political Correctness”). > [@Magiver](#): > > None of that explains the Bali attack which has nothing to do with poverty oppression or government. It certainly is related to government suppression. Jemaah Islamiah, the group that carried out the attacks, is a radical Islamist organization that was founded by political refugees from the Suharto government’s oppression of some aspects of Islam in Indonesia. The attacks were carried out against major Western tourist centers because the Jemaah Islamiah see the Western support for Suharto as a serious attack on Islam. (They also see Western values as a threat to their extremely conservative version of Islam, but that is hardly a separate issue from the actions of Suharto and his U.S. and Australian backers.) To deny that the attacks were related to govcernment oppression is to simply ignore the facts. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/449 "2010-09-03T00:37:03Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > Muslims Resume Building on Christian Graveyard in Pakistan I would give your outrage the tiniest bit of credence if you had not ignored the fact that a Muslim cemetary in Jerusalem was paved over for a parking lot, then dug up for a building, later, with the concurrence of the Israeli courts. Since you could not be bothered to be outraged by one desecration, I figure your outrage, here, is simply manufactured hatred. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/450 "2010-09-03T00:50:29Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > “Political Correctness” is simply the term you hurl whenever you cannot substantiate one of your claims. I provided a cited argument that linked the behavior of Muslims in Indonesia to the Middle East in response to a post that suggested otherwise. The term political correctness is applied to arguments that ignore core relationships between events in an attempt to avoid making any kind of judgment. > [@tomndebb](#): > > It certainly is related to government suppression. Jemaah Islamiah, the group that carried out the attacks, is a radical Islamist organization that was founded by political refugees from the Suharto government’s oppression of some aspects of Islam in Indonesia. The attacks were carried out against major Western tourist centers because the Jemaah Islamiah see the Western support for Suharto as a serious attack on Islam. (They also see Western values as a threat to their extremely conservative version of Islam, but that is hardly a separate issue from the actions of Suharto and his U.S. and Australian backers.) To deny that the attacks were related to govcernment oppression is to simply ignore the facts. “government suppression of some aspect of Islam” :rolleyes: Do you hear yourself speak when you type? There is no logical explanation to the attack. It was a senseless slaughter brought on by religious extremism which was taught in the mosques and in the schools. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/451 "2010-09-03T01:33:44Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > No. Nor does it make him right and them wrong. But it does mean that if you are claiming that “Islam” says or does one thing or another when large numbers of Muslims disagree, then you are wrong. Religion by majority vote. Kind of proves there is no god, doesn’t it? See, when god says fight the unbelievers where ever you find them, it actually means that we should all sit down together and eat cotton candy. That is what the majority believe, so it must be true. And those who actually think the words mean what they say, well, they are wrong. Why have a book at all if the words in them are meaningless? And if you really want it to mean ‘sit down and eat cotton candy’, then change the words to reflect that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/452 "2010-09-03T01:43:36Z")
Our Prime Directive is to fight ignorance. By your standards of interpretation, that means I should gun down dummies. You should think that over. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/453 "2010-09-03T01:44:35Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The term political correctness is applied to arguments that ignore core relationships between events in an attempt to avoid making any kind of judgment. Inventing new definitions for the term does not change what it really means. It certainly has no bearing on anything I have posted. > [@Magiver](#): > > “government suppression of some aspect of Islam” :rolleyes: Do you hear yourself speak when you type? There is no logical explanation to the attack. It was a senseless slaughter brought on by religious extremism which was taught in the mosques and in the schools. Do you ignore evcery fact that challenges your preconceptions? Suharto persecuted Muslims. Some of the Muslims Suharto persecuted formed a group to oppose him and were willing to carry out terrorist acts in to make their points. Your statement > [@](#): > > the Bali attack which has nothing to do with . . . oppression or government is simply wrong. Was the attack justified? In no way. Are the members of Jemaah Islamiah violent scum? Absolutely. However, they did not simply wake up one morning and decide to go kill people in some sort of _jihad_. They had a history that shaped their mindset and it was not simply reading the Qur’an and some hadiths; it included being persecuted for their religion. The violent Islamists are wrong and need to be stopped, but making odd assertions, (that defy the facts), that they were simply following their religion does nothing but inflame other less hateful Muslims with a sense of persecution and rationalizes the behavior of kooks like Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, and others to stir up non-Muslim idiots to violence against Muslims. (Yes, I know that the score currently leans heavily toward the Muslim fanatics, but that is a temporary accident of history. If we continue to heap scorn on and cause problems for people who are doing nothing wrong and acting in good faith, (such as Imam Rauf), then we are simply going to prolong the violence.) ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/454 "2010-09-03T01:56:14Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > I have not found any documentation of any Muslims being killed in 9/11 other than the terrorist. Perhaps you would like to supply it? I have heard about Muslims being killed in the buildings and each year the numbers get larger and larger—funny how the dead can multiply. How does that happen? [http://www.world-memorial.org/EMT-MohammadSalmanHamdani.jpg](http://www.world-memorial.org/EMT-MohammadSalmanHamdani.jpg) That’s a picture of Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a Muslim Pakistani-American, an NYPD cadet/EMT, who was on his way to work when the planes hit the towers. He went in there to help evacuate people, and was still in there when the buildings collapsed. He chose to go in, to try to save people’s lives, and he died for it. [![](https://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/chowdhury.mohammad.jpg) ](https://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/chowdhury.mohammad.jpg) This is Mohammed Chowdhury. As far as I know, he didn’t save anyone’s life. He was a waiter, who worked in Windows on the World, the World Trade Center’s restaurant. His son was born two days after his death. [![](https://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/doany.ramzi.jpg) ](https://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/doany.ramzi.jpg) This is Ramzi Doany, a Palestinian-American, who was an auditor at Marsh & McLennan, a brokerage firm with offices on floors 93-100 in the North Tower. The plane hit floors 93-99, and no one working in those offices survived. Here’s a little bio of him on MMC’s memorial page: [http://memorial.mmc.com/pgBio.asp?ID=82](http://memorial.mmc.com/pgBio.asp?ID=82) That’s 3 people. I can find more if you want. ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/455 "2010-09-03T01:58:18Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > > [@user\_hostile](#): > > > > I stand corrected. Thanks for answering. > > > > “Propaganda”? Come on **Don123** , you’re smarter than that! Quite a bit of mathematics came from those Islamic caliphates. They were essential for the medieval European scholars who wanted to reboot their mud-eating education system. Where do you think we got the zero from? Yeah, okay India, but those Caliphating mathematicians quickly grasped the meaning and were quick to implement it into their world, and we in turn imported. > > > > Have you ever been to an Islamic country BTW? > > > > I have. In fact, one Muslim woman who had a little too much to drink gave me a nice kiss on the lips. That’s the kinda jihad I’m looking for! Oh yeah! 🆒 > > I will have to get back to you (soon I hope) on the Islamic golden age as of right now we are figuring on the best way to burn the Koran, and if we should or not, and who to invite if it happens. > > Don [http://www.corvalliscommunitypages.com/asia\_pacific/mathindia.htm](http://www.corvalliscommunitypages.com/asia_pacific/mathindia.htm) You cannot have algebra without the concept and use of Zero. “In India (Hindus) around the 5th century A.D. a system of mathematics that made astronomical calculations easy was developed. In those times its application was limited to astronomy as its pioneers were Astronomers. As tronomical calculations are complex and involve many variables that go into the derivation of unknown quantities. Algebra is a short-hand method of calculation and by this feature it scores over conventional arithmetic.” Mohammad died in 632 AD, still stuck in Arabia, so clearly Islam could not have invented the concept of zero. India was invaded by the Arab Muslims about the 13th century, found the existing math called Bijaganitam and gave it the Arab word ‘Al jabr’. “Between the 10th to 13th centuries the Christian Crusades resulted in a massive exchange of ideas. The technique of algebr (algebra) could have passed on to the west at this time.” So the only thing Islam gave to the concept of zero was their language and nothing more. In India today they still name Bijaganit for algebra NOW can I burn the Koran as it is proved that Islam is nothing but a pack of lie. Don ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/456 "2010-09-03T01:59:44Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Religion by majority vote. Kind of proves there is no god, doesn’t it? Only if you believce that god starts religions. \* ::: shrug ::: ['i] > [@Uzi](#): > > See, when god says fight the unbelievers where ever you find them, it actually means that we should all sit down together and eat cotton candy. That is what the majority believe, so it must be true. And those who actually think the words mean what they say, well, they are wrong. > Why have a book at all if the words in them are meaningless? And if you really want it to mean ‘sit down and eat cotton candy’, then change the words to reflect that. Stringing together _non sequitur_s and making illogical claims while ignoring the context of a text does not work well to make your case, I am afraid. Your point is rather along the line of those ignorant people who claim that the bible says that “money is the root of all evil.” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/457 "2010-09-03T02:06:06Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > Mohammad died in 632 AD, still stuck in Arabia, so clearly Islam could not have invented the concept of zero. Which, of course, no one here has claimed that they did. > [@Don123](#): > > So the only thing Islam gave to the concept of zero was their language and nothing more. NO. They passed on the concept to the Europeans, hence the term “Arabic numerals.” > [@Don123](#): > > NOW can I burn the Koran as it is proved that Islam is nothing but a pack of lie. Wait. You post a straw man argument and totally miss the point that was made, and now you want to burn a book that has nothing to do with the sub-topic under discussion because you falsely claim that something that has not evenbeen discussed is “proved”? The answer is no. You can, of course, buy or steal a copy of the Qur’an and burn it, but you cannot do so and justify your actions just because you are claiming to have proven something that you have failed to even address. ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/458 "2010-09-03T02:20:40Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > I have not found any documentation of any Muslims being killed in 9/11 other than the terrorist. Perhaps you would like to supply it? I have heard about Muslims being killed in the buildings and each year the numbers get larger and larger—funny how the dead can multiply. How does that happen? > > [http://www.world-memorial.org/EMT-MohammadSalmanHamdani.jpg](http://www.world-memorial.org/EMT-MohammadSalmanHamdani.jpg) > > That’s a picture of Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a Muslim Pakistani-American, an NYPD cadet/EMT, who was on his way to work when the planes hit the towers. He went in there to help evacuate people, and was still in there when the buildings collapsed. He chose to go in, to try to save people’s lives, and he died for it. > > [http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/chowdhury.mohammad.jpg](http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/chowdhury.mohammad.jpg) > > This is Mohammed Chowdhury. As far as I know, he didn’t save anyone’s life. He was a waiter, who worked in Windows on the World, the World Trade Center’s restaurant. His son was born two days after his death. > > [http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/doany.ramzi.jpg](http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/doany.ramzi.jpg) > > This is Ramzi Doany, a Palestinian-American, who was an auditor at Marsh & McLennan, a brokerage firm with offices on floors 93-100 in the North Tower. The plane hit floors 93-99, and no one working in those offices survived. Here’s a little bio of him on MMC’s memorial page: > > [http://memorial.mmc.com/pgBio.asp?ID=82](http://memorial.mmc.com/pgBio.asp?ID=82) > > That’s 3 people. I can find more if you want. OH COME ON!!! You are wasting my time. Those are only pictures of people that may have a Arab linage— that does not prove they were Muslims! I have news for YOU, Islam is NOT a race! It is a set of ideas that people believe in. These people may have died in the Muslim terrorist attack, how ever these people are in my country and I want the citizens protected from this filthy Islamic garbage. It is sad to see people cut down in the prime of life, and tears to see children slaughtered. And YOU are here justifying the greatest terrorist cult on earth and that is Islam. How do you sleep at night? Don ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/459 "2010-09-03T02:38:14Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > Mohammad died in 632 AD, still stuck in Arabia, so clearly Islam could not have invented the concept of zero. > > Which, of course, no one here has claimed that they did. > NO. They passed on the concept to the Europeans, hence the term “Arabic numerals.” > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > NOW can I burn the Koran as it is proved that Islam is nothing but a pack of lie. > > Wait. You post a straw man argument and totally miss the point that was made, and now you want to burn a book that has nothing to do with the sub-topic under discussion because you falsely claim that something that has not evenbeen discussed is “proved”? > > The answer is no. You can, of course, buy or steal a copy of the Qur’an and burn it, but you cannot do so and justify your actions just because you are claiming to have proven something that you have failed to even address. I am going to ignore your comment as it is not worth addressing. There are other points to make on this thread where my time would be better spent. Don ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/460 "2010-09-03T02:38:43Z")
Boy, Cap’n, you’re really gonna look stupid once \*\*Don \*\*proves those people aren’t Muslim. Feel sorry for you, you’re gonna look like a total jackass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=24)