# Burning books in the US...'Burn Quran Day' **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 20, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891 "2010-08-20T17:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/501 "2010-09-03T17:13:10Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Reading **Don’s** posts is like reading a Chick tract. > > **Evil Muslim 1** : HAW HAW HAW! Ahmed, our plan to infiltrate America and impose Sharia law is going forward as planned! > > **Evil Muslim 2** : Yes, Omar! We have already gained permission to build a mosque directly on the hallowed land of Ground Zero and not in any way two blocks away in a disused Burlington Coat Factory, and have convinced many Americans that we are a peace-loving people! Soon all America will fall under the sword of Allah! > > **Fictional Don** : Halt, terrorist scum! We American are not going to be pushed around by the threats of terrorism that is the dominate feature of Islam! I do not care how many Islamic martyrs you hang on the wall! > > **Evil Muslim 1** : Filthy infidel! You cannot stop us! All billion or so of us worldwide are committed to the cause of violent jihad! > > **Fictional Don** : Oh no? Let’s see how you feel after I set fire to THIS KORAN! > > **Evil Muslim 2** : By the beard of the Prophet Peace be unto Him and death to everyone else! He has set our holy book alight, and yet Allah has not struck him down! > > **Evil Muslim 1** : How can this be? Could we have been so mistaken in our ways? > > **Evil Muslim 2** : It must be so! Perhaps we should fall to our knees and pray to Jesus Christ for forgiveness of our sins, lest the Lord cast us into the fiery pit for all eternity! > That about how you see this book burning happening, **Don**? That is a funny post, you are a good writer with a vivid imagination. I do not mind little light humor from time to time. Don ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/502 "2010-09-03T17:29:19Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > **Evil Muslim 2** : It must be so! Perhaps we should fall to our knees and pray to Jesus Christ for forgiveness of our sins, lest the Lord cast us into the fiery pit for all eternity! > > That about how you see this book burning happening, **Don**? > > Not to be cranky, but I think **Don** is atheist. (He’s not exactly been complimentary toward Christians in this thread, anyway.) Yes I am an atheist, so I do not have any holy books for you to burn that I should get upset over. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/503 "2010-09-03T17:46:13Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > That is a funny post, you are a good writer with a vivid imagination. I do not mind little light humor from time to time. > > Don Your pet theories about Muslims might constitute light humor if you weren’t serious. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/504 "2010-09-03T17:59:19Z")
Like Garrison Keillor channeling Goebbels. > [@](#): > > Yes I am an atheist, so I do not have any holy books for you to burn that I should get upset over. You could burn one of those blank page books they sell! Of course, if you were struck dead, the theological implications would be daunting, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/505 "2010-09-03T18:09:00Z")
> [@qpw3141](#): > > So mad people read books and get kookie ideas about them. > > Rather like mad people listen to Beatles songs and get kookie ideas from them. You do realize the difference between a book that has the authority of a god behind it and dictates a person’s actions and how they live vs. a song, right? People do realize this, correct? I mean, I have been arguing that books, which contain ideas, can and do influence people and how they act. Are people in this thread actually saying that they don’t? ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/506 "2010-09-03T18:09:44Z")
I say we send the Islamic world a scud missile along with the Koran burning. Launch this to the Islamic world. Here is a picture of the world’s first Muslim Mrs. America doing a pole dance. > **[TheReligionofPeace.com: About Muslims](https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/about-muslims.aspx)** > > No Muslim should be harmed or harassed on account of their faith. That is right, by the time the west gets done with Islam it will be watered down to puppy food. People will giggle at Islam and walk away, saying what joke from the dark ages. Though I disagree that a person can be separated from their beliefs, it is an impossibility, as the text of the article says it can be done, I’m going stand by the rule of law. Every time a Muslim steps out of line, drag them into court along with the mosque, and strip them of every dime they own in a public trial. We ripped the shit (gutted) out of the Catholic Church by 100 of millions of dollars over their child molestation, and people are leaving that stupid religion by the droves. Don’t think Muslims have not taken notice. They are next on the list if they try to do what Mohammad did and that is rape a nine year old. Sure, you bet, let the mosque be built at ground zero, and let them mass up the assets. Let one of their crazy ass Muslims step out of line, as it will happen, and we will bring that building right down to a financial waist land in law suits, and people will spit on it as they walk by for all the crimes they did. I Love making hypocrites out of Muslims. Don ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/507 "2010-09-03T18:28:19Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > > [@qpw3141](#): > > > > So mad people read books and get kookie ideas about them. > > > > Rather like mad people listen to Beatles songs and get kookie ideas from them. > > You do realize the difference between a book that has the authority of a god behind it and dictates a person’s actions and how they live vs. a song, right? > > People do realize this, correct? Remember we are talking about insane people here. 😉 People can get extreme ideas from anything they choose. There are plenty of religious nut jobs claiming authority for their detestable actions and opinions from the bible. ---
**Author:** ![bbart4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/51bf81/32.png) [@bbart4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bbart4)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/508 "2010-09-03T18:37:57Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > That is right, by the time the west gets done with Islam it will be watered down to puppy food. People will giggle at Islam and walk away, saying what joke from the dark ages. You’re probably right. > [@](#): > > …I’m going stand by the rule of law. Every time a Muslim steps out of line, drag them into court along with the mosque, and strip them of every dime they own in a public trial > …Let one of their crazy ass Muslims step out of line, as it will happen, and we will bring that building right down to a financial waist land in law suits, and people will spit on it as they walk by for all the crimes they did. And what rule of law is it that would endorse collective punishment? ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/509 "2010-09-03T18:40:12Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > > [@bbart4](#): > > > > What makes you believe them? Give me an estimate on what % of muslim pop. is capable of becoming such bombers? > > As a % of muslims, it is probably greater than a % of people in other major religions. Their book condones and reveres it. Why is it surprising that someone who reads the book interprets it that way and would act upon it? This should, in detail, answer your question. Don What Islam Isn’t By: Dr. Peter Hammond [http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675](http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675) When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/510 "2010-09-03T19:03:56Z")
> [@bbart4](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > That is right, by the time the west gets done with Islam it will be watered down to puppy food. People will giggle at Islam and walk away, saying what joke from the dark ages. > > You’re probably right. > > > [@](#): > > > > …I’m going stand by the rule of law. Every time a Muslim steps out of line, drag them into court along with the mosque, and strip them of every dime they own in a public trial > > …Let one of their crazy ass Muslims step out of line, as it will happen, and we will bring that building right down to a financial waist land in law suits, and people will spit on it as they walk by for all the crimes they did. > > And what rule of law is it that would endorse collective punishment? Churches, corporation, Co-ops (to say the least) can be suited under tort law, in addition to any that make up the direct chain of damages to others or to property. In the USA they can all be suited collectively (depending on the situation) for real and emotional damages. Don’t think for a second that USA attorneys walk by a lovely mosque and don’t try to figure out away to get a large piece, or all, of it of it in cash. ALL legally. Blood sucking legal sharks have good social value. Don ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/511 "2010-09-03T19:04:07Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > > [@Uzi](#): > > > > As a % of muslims, it is probably greater than a % of people in other major religions. Their book condones and reveres it. Why is it surprising that someone who reads the book interprets it that way and would act upon it? > > This should, in detail, answer your question. > > Don > > What Islam Isn’t > > By: Dr. Peter Hammond > > [http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675](http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675) > When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). Linking to a hate page isn’t going to do your credibility much good. And it’s very sneaky the way they use the CIA World Fact Book to lend their hatred an air of authority when all it’s doing is supplying some percentages. It also, as with the more extreme posters here, uses the trick of treating the Muslim population as a homogeneous whole. It is not a fact that when the population reaches a certain level **all** Muslims will start making the demands listed. When the population reaches a certain level **a very small and very vociferous minority** of Muslims will start so demanding. ---
**Author:** ![bbart4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/51bf81/32.png) [@bbart4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bbart4)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/512 "2010-09-03T19:09:32Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > > [@Uzi](#): > > > > What Islam Isn’t > > > > By: Dr. Peter Hammond > > > > [http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675](http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675) > > When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). Come on Don. You should come up with better links than that! You might as well create whatever “facts” you want, put them on your website and link to it as needed. Do people really read and believe baseless assertion like that? ---
**Author:** ![bbart4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/51bf81/32.png) [@bbart4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bbart4)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/513 "2010-09-03T19:11:07Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > > [@bbart4](#): > > > > You’re probably right. > > > > And what rule of law is it that would endorse collective punishment? > > Churches, corporation, Co-ops (to say the least) can be suited under tort law, in addition to any that make up the direct chain of damages to others or to property. > > In the USA they can all be suited collectively (depending on the situation) for real and emotional damages. > > Don’t think for a second that USA attorneys walk by a lovely mosque and don’t try to figure out away to get a large piece, or all, of it of it in cash. ALL legally. > > Blood sucking legal sharks have good social value. > Don This of course, I have no problem with. Yeah sure, sue them all you want. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/514 "2010-09-03T20:23:32Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > In the USA they can all be suited collectively (depending on the situation) for real and emotional damages. Wait, I’m confused, you hate the living guts of any and all Muslims, why would you want to buy them clothes ? ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/515 "2010-09-03T21:16:01Z")
Good question, how do you know the 9/11 hijackers were Muslims? Ok the rules will be “by the preponderance of the evidence” and NOT by “beyond a reasonable doubt” Just having a strange name with 34 letters does not make a person a Muslim, nor being born with non-white features, as you are talking on how a person believes. You have to have more information. We could build a fire on their chest as Mohammad (630 AD) demonstrated to get to the truth but all the hijackers are all dead. According to the conclusions of a 2004 report of the 9/11 Commission, the 11 September 2001 attacks were carried out by 19 hijackers, and planned and organized by numerous additional members of al-Qaeda. … (these were) respected jihadists in the eyes of al-Qaeda leader, Osama bin Laden All were from Saudi Arabia, with the exception of Fayez Banihammad, who was from the United Arab Emirates. Al-Qaeda is 100% Muslim. Osama bin Laden is 100% Muslim Saudi is 100% Muslim United Arab Emirates is 100% Muslim This fits the pattern of jihad Muslims world wide Terrorist acts, hate, are mostly taught in the Koran We know the USA was targeted by Muslims the buiding was hit before by muslims Guess what the chances are of the 19 hijackers not being Muslim? So low it is not funny. Conclusion: The 19 hijackers were Muslim. Also a picture or a strange last name is not needed to come to the same conclusion, as the authority rest on the 9/11 Commission. A picture or a name would be additional information. If the families, friends, employer, or a mosque director of the victims said directly, “He/she was a Muslim”, that would be a good case to make. We could also go by how their house was decorated, or their favorite subject by valid reports or pictures. NONE of this is shown. So you have no idea if the victims were Muslims or not. When an unconnected party says the victims were Muslims, you know you are hearing a pile of propaganda with some emotional spin off in support of possible more jihads want-a-bees. Mohammad said war is deceit and Allah is the greatest schemer, so consumers be ware. Muslims are very shifty people and not to be trusted, you have no idea what they are going to do as they pack around the Koran. Accordingly, burning the koran in public is saying—we do not trust muslims. Don ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/516 "2010-09-03T21:20:34Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > Terrorist acts, hate, are mostly taught in the Koran I don’t know. There seem to be a couple of people in this thread that have twisted themselves into a knot of hatred and are intent on ‘teaching’ anyone who will listen to hate Muslims. Obviously I’m not going to mention any names. > [@](#): > > Don ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/517 "2010-09-03T21:27:16Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > In the USA they can all be suited collectively (depending on the situation) for real and emotional damages. > > Wait, I’m confused, you hate the living guts of any and all Muslims, why would you want to buy them clothes ? I’m sorry about that, and thanks for the correction, I’m the king of Typo. Sued not suits… Don ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/518 "2010-09-03T21:35:51Z")
> [@qpw3141](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > Terrorist acts, hate, are mostly taught in the Koran > > I don’t know. There seem to be a couple of people in this thread that have twisted themselves into a knot of hatred and are intent on ‘teaching’ anyone who will listen to hate Muslims. > > Obviously I’m not going to mention any names. > > > [@](#): > > > > Don You laugh about it, and so do I, but in a more sober light, that’s exactly it. As **tomndebb** said, that’s how it always goes - some injustice happens, and then it goes like this : Extremist : You have been feeling this all your life, haven’t you ? The notion that something isn’t quite right about the world. Clueless Berk : Yes ! E : I cannot tell you what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. CB : … whot. E : Sorry, I got sidetracked. I mean, I’ll tell you what’s wrong with the world. Everything comes from X (where X is Evil). Come to our gathering, listen to what we’ve got to say against X. Learn how X corrupts society. How people who believe in X are a tight bunch who keep to themselves and lie to outsiders. It’ll change your life. CB : I’ll be there. And so it goes. Peacefully, quietly, for years. Until CB’s outlook is as warped and skewed as E’s or **Don** ’s. Until everything is seen through a filter, darkly, even if the root cause has vanished a long time ago. Until the notion to wear an exploding belt seems sensible. Ask yourself : what would it take for \*me \*to wear an exploding garter belt ? Are those people any different ? Why would they be ? ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/519 "2010-09-03T21:43:05Z")
> [@qpw3141](#): > > I don’t know. There seem to be a couple of people in this thread that have twisted themselves into a knot of hatred and are intent on ‘teaching’ anyone who will listen to hate Muslims. Well, I don’t hate Muslims. I worked with them for 9 years and they were average people you’d find anywhere for the most part. I hate that they are so wrapped up in their religion that would sacrifice their families before tossing the Koran on the scrap heap of history where it belongs, along with the bible, btw. But, I don’t really blame them as they are subject to their culture like everyone else is. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/520 "2010-09-03T21:58:09Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Well, I don’t hate Muslims. I worked with them for 9 years and they were average people you’d find anywhere for the most part. I hate that they are so wrapped up in their religion that would sacrifice their families before tossing the Koran on the scrap heap of history where it belongs, along with the bible, btw. But, I don’t really blame them as they are subject to their culture like everyone else is. See, that’s what I don’t quite get. You’ve actually been in direct contact with Muslims (unlike the numbnuts engaged in that Koran BBQ). You’ve worked with them for a decade. You have seen with your very eyes that they (well, the grand majority of “they”) were just regular Joes, albeit with funny customs. And yet you still somehow adhere to the notion that there’s something sinister brewing beneath that veneer of normalcy. Were your coworkers trolling you as they feigned not giving a fuck what you believed in ? Did they really angle for a quiet kill while you were there ? Were you keeping your back to the wall the whole time ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=27)