# Burning books in the US...'Burn Quran Day' **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 20, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891 "2010-08-20T17:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/61 "2010-08-20T21:05:56Z")
Let’s blame all christians for Wetboro Baptist Church. They’e all the same, right? _Clearly_ it’s time to start burning bibles. Who’s with me? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/62 "2010-08-20T21:11:22Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > Your point is illogical. You draw a distinction between Muslims and other religious groups, but fail to draw a distinction between Muslims in general and radical Muslims, or Muslims who call for everyone in the free world to follow their rules or be put to death. Your response is not to say “fuck those specific Muslims, those ones doing that” but “fuck Muslims, fuck their god (who doesn’t exist), fuck their holiest books and religious figures”. Your point about only putting blame where blame lies would be much better taken if you hadn’t insulted pretty much all people and everything important to do with Islam. Kinda like the usual suspects here say all conservatives are mean horrible stupid evil not nice people? But that’s not the point I’m trying to make. If I post “Fuck Jesus”, you aren’t going to bat an eye. If I post “Fuck the Earth Mother”, you don’t care. For that matter, if I post, as I did, “Fuck Allah”, you probably don’t care in a personal way. Certainly you are not going to take to the streets with your “Death to all that insult (whatevr flavor of religion you follow or like best or dislike least)” sign. Huge numbers of muslims might…if this was in a newspaper or I cut a radio promo that was played in one of those countries. They have done it over and over again. I don’t know of any other religion that does that. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/63 "2010-08-20T21:13:27Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > When Christians (Jews, Wiccans, Atheists, Druids, Satanists, Whatever) start having massive protests calling for all that insult their religion to be beheaded, like those charming folks in the picture I linked, then I’ll be all for giving them a hearty fucking too. > > How about if Christians start blowing up abortion clinics and gay bars, shooting doctors, blowing up federal buildings, setting off bombs at the Olympics and harrassing families at the funerals of murdered kids and soldiers killed in combat? Those people represent all christians, do they not? Therefore all Christians should be insulted. Clearly does not meet the criteria I established, so no. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/64 "2010-08-20T21:14:18Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Fuck Mohammed. I think he was a pervert, and probably fucked pigs. No, no. Goats, maybe. Pigs are unclean to Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/65 "2010-08-20T21:15:22Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Let’s blame all christians for Wetboro Baptist Church. They’e all the same, right? _Clearly_ it’s time to start burning bibles. Who’s with me? All conservatives are the same, right? Certainly around here, the usual suspects holler loud and long that we are. Yet somehow that isn’t wrong. Because dippy hippy liberals can never ever possibly be wrong about any damn thing. See? I can toss out irrelevant hijacks with the best of them. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/66 "2010-08-20T21:15:55Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > How about if Christians start blowing up abortion clinics and gay bars, shooting doctors, blowing up federal buildings, setting off bombs at the Olympics and harrassing families at the funerals of murdered kids and soldiers killed in combat? Those people represent all christians, do they not? Therefore all Christians should be insulted. > > Clearly does not meet the criteria I established, so no. Killing people who don’t conform to their religious views don’t fit your criteria? You have a very careful and selective criteria. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/67 "2010-08-20T21:16:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > Fuck Mohammed. I think he was a pervert, and probably fucked pigs. > > No, no. Goats, maybe. Pigs are unclean to Muslims. That was the point in choosing pigs. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/68 "2010-08-20T21:19:39Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > > [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > > > Your point is illogical. You draw a distinction between Muslims and other religious groups, but fail to draw a distinction between Muslims in general and radical Muslims, or Muslims who call for everyone in the free world to follow their rules or be put to death. Your response is not to say “fuck those specific Muslims, those ones doing that” but “fuck Muslims, fuck their god (who doesn’t exist), fuck their holiest books and religious figures”. Your point about only putting blame where blame lies would be much better taken if you hadn’t insulted pretty much all people and everything important to do with Islam. > > Kinda like the usual suspects here say all conservatives are mean horrible stupid evil not nice people? Yes, indeed. I’m afraid it seems you can consider yourself in the list, I guess. > [@](#): > > But that’s not the point I’m trying to make. If I post “Fuck Jesus”, you aren’t going to bat an eye. If I post “Fuck the Earth Mother”, you don’t care. For that matter, if I post, as I did, “Fuck Allah”, you probably don’t care in a personal way. I would tend to disagree. All of those would be silly things to say in general, let alone in specific situations. As an atheist, I would consider all three of those to be pointlessly insulting and, if in some debate thread, counter-productive. > [@](#): > > Certainly you are not going to take to the streets with your “Death to all that insult (whatevr flavor of religion you follow or like best or dislike least)” sign. Huge numbers of muslims might…if this was in a newspaper or I cut a radio promo that was played in one of those countries. They have done it over and over again. I don’t know of any other religion that does that. You know of _no_ religion that does that. You know of some adherents of a particular religion that does that. Again, you are conflating; it is, as you correctly point out, unreasonable to insult all religious people for the actions of some Muslims, and likewise it is unreasonable to insult all Muslims for the actions of some Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/69 "2010-08-20T21:21:17Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > > [@begbert2](#): > > > > Let’s blame all christians for Wetboro Baptist Church. They’e all the same, right? _Clearly_ it’s time to start burning bibles. Who’s with me? > > All conservatives are the same, right? Certainly around here, the usual suspects holler loud and long that we are. Cite? You do realize that critizing a specifically articulated opinion is not akin to making asumptions about people based on nothing but their membership in a religion that comprises almost a quarter of world’s population, do you not? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/70 "2010-08-20T21:28:53Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > > [@begbert2](#): > > > > Let’s blame all christians for Wetboro Baptist Church. They’e all the same, right? _Clearly_ it’s time to start burning bibles. Who’s with me? > > All conservatives are the same, right? Certainly around here, the usual suspects holler loud and long that we are. Yet somehow that isn’t wrong. Because dippy hippy liberals can never ever possibly be wrong about any damn thing. > > See? I can toss out irrelevant hijacks with the best of them. It wasn’t a hijack. It was an extremely on-topic commentary on your position. Argument by analogy dovetailing into an argument for absurdity, specifically. And the lovely thing about your strawman tu quoque argument is that you just admitted that your own position is wrong, because it’s wrong when “the usual suspects” do it. Far from tossing my comment out; you conceded the argument. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/71 "2010-08-20T21:33:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > Clearly does not meet the criteria I established, so no. > > Killing people who don’t conform to their religious views don’t fit your criteria? You have a very careful and selective criteria. I quite agree. I would like to hear why it is problematic to take to the streets with signs bearing incendiary rhetoric but that lobbing actual incendiaries is apparently not. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/72 "2010-08-20T23:08:38Z")
Here’s a new story about those [peaceful, tolerant, loving muslims](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/20/world/main6789603.shtml). And not in East Yakistan or some other hellhole. This is in Saudi Arabia. Practically the Unitarians of the muslim world. Fuck Hippocrates and his oath. Allah has spoken. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/73 "2010-08-20T23:19:14Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Here’s a new story about those [peaceful, tolerant, loving muslims](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/20/world/main6789603.shtml). And not in East Yakistan or some other hellhole. This is in Saudi Arabia. Practically the Unitarians of the muslim world. > > Fuck Hippocrates and his oath. Allah has spoken. > :rolleyes: Get this - there was once an American president who claimed to be starting _ **wars** _ because, at least in part, he thought _God_ was telling him to. Fuck peace - God has spoken. Find as many anecdotes as you like, even of leaders who are muslim. It still will never add up to data about muslims in general. You Westboro Baptist guy you. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/74 "2010-08-20T23:21:18Z")
Did you miss the part about the hospitals refusing to do such an operation? Or the King cracking down on nutjob clerics who call for such shit? Look, a simple search will show that I regard most Islamic culture and all of Islamic law lower than I do rancid whale-shit (while we’re at it, Mohammed’s mother was a goat, and an ugly goat at that) and even I think you are off your rocker with this one. Time to punt, **Oak**. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/75 "2010-08-20T23:25:07Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Here’s a new story about those [peaceful, tolerant, loving muslims](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/20/world/main6789603.shtml). And not in East Yakistan or some other hellhole. This is in Saudi Arabia. Practically the Unitarians of the muslim world. > > Fuck Hippocrates and his oath. Allah has spoken. > :rolleyes: Not hardly. The Islamic subset that holds sway (offically) is of the sternest, most belligerantly self-righteous stripe, called “wahhabist”, roughly parallel to the worse instincts of Baptists, Calvinists, and Fundamenalists. They have zero tolerance for just about everything, including Shia muslims. They are a long, long way from being the “Unitarians of Islam”. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/76 "2010-08-20T23:34:02Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > This is in Saudi Arabia. Practically the Unitarians of the muslim world. This might be out of line in GD but… are you off your meds ? Saudi Arabia is the strictest, most nutter-infused Muslim theocracy of them all. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/77 "2010-08-20T23:41:01Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Look, a simple search will show that I regard most Islamic culture and all of Islamic law lower than I do rancid whale-shit (while we’re at it, Mohammed’s mother was a goat, and an ugly goat at that) and even I think you are off your rocker with this one. Time to punt, **Oak**. Fuck a punt. I’m calling a direct snap to Reggie Bush. Or not, but I am ready for football. I think I’ve been…inartful…in attempting to express myself. I disagree with notions that free speech should be discouraged for fear of outraging the muslim world. I see that as a slippery slope. Unfortunately, I attempted to express that notion in an over the top manner, and…er…presented a less than impressive argument in the process. Not one of my prouder SDMB moments. Yeah, I’ve been an ass in this thread. Sorry guys. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/78 "2010-08-20T23:51:05Z")
If only there was a book of moral guidelines containing such entreaties as “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you” and “Do to others what you would have them do to you” that could be used to convince this Pastor that this is a really crappy idea. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/79 "2010-08-21T00:26:57Z")
He’s got a bunch of 'em. Just about to burn them. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/80 "2010-08-21T01:02:07Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Somebody NEEDS to go there and start chucking bibles into the fire. Or Jack Chick comics. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=5)