# Burning books in the US...'Burn Quran Day' **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 20, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891 "2010-08-20T17:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/81 "2010-08-21T01:28:05Z")
> [@qpw3141](#): > > I just wish the idiots involved in this sort of nonsense realised what a victory their actions are for terrorists everywhere and the 9-11 perpetrators in particular. And someone will jump on it and say “There! See that! They really are no good scumbags who deserve to die!” and their followers will eat that shit up. And use it to justify whatever they do next. Thanks a lot Reverend BookBurningFuckUp This putz is exercising his free speech. Fair enough. Hopefully other people will exercise their free speech in telling him he is a moron. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/82 "2010-08-21T01:37:26Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > You’re worried about offending Muslims in places they routinely burn the U.S. flag, and held massive demonstrations calling for the death of cartoonists? > > Fuck em. Muslims need to be clubbed over the head with the notion that free speech is free speech. Yes, we can and will draw cartoons about your prophet. Yes, we can and will burn the Koran, or any other damn book we feel like. You wanna live under Islamic law? Fine. Don’t expect me to, because I ain’t gonna. Good. I don’t want to live under Muslim Sharia law. But I don’t want to live under Christian Dominionist or Christian Reconstructionist law either. It’s surprising how many people fawn over the idea of the USA being a christian nation, whatever the hell that is. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, … " I wonder how fired up you’d be at a down home Bible burning. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/83 "2010-08-21T01:49:13Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > How about if Christians start blowing up abortion clinics and gay bars, shooting doctors, blowing up federal buildings, setting off bombs at the Olympics and harrassing families at the funerals of murdered kids and soldiers killed in combat? Those people represent all christians, do they not? Therefore all Christians should be insulted. Yes. Yes. Yes. After all, what’s good for the goose… or at least a hearty fuck em? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/84 "2010-08-21T01:54:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > Here’s a new story about those [peaceful, tolerant, loving muslims](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/20/world/main6789603.shtml). And not in East Yakistan or some other hellhole. This is in Saudi Arabia. Practically the Unitarians of the muslim world. > > > > Fuck Hippocrates and his oath. Allah has spoken. > > :rolleyes: > > Not hardly. The Islamic subset that holds sway (offically) is of the sternest, most belligerantly self-righteous stripe, called “wahhabist”, roughly parallel to the worse instincts of Baptists, Calvinists, and Fundamenalists. They have zero tolerance for just about everything, including Shia muslims. They are a long, long way from being the “Unitarians of Islam”. In fact, in Saudi Arabia, the only significant political opposition comes from ultra-Wahhabist clerics to whom the House of Saud is not Muslim **enough.** ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/85 "2010-08-21T02:08:07Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@elucidator](#): > > > > Not hardly. The Islamic subset that holds sway (offically) is of the sternest, most belligerantly self-righteous stripe, called “wahhabist”, roughly parallel to the worse instincts of Baptists, Calvinists, and Fundamenalists. They have zero tolerance for just about everything, including Shia muslims. They are a long, long way from being the “Unitarians of Islam”. > > In fact, in Saudi Arabia, the only significant political opposition comes from ultra-Wahhabist clerics to whom the House of Saud is not Muslim **enough.** Is there a No True Muslim fallacy I need to know about? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/86 "2010-08-21T14:42:46Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And I was told to do so as a child, back when I was being taught to be a “good Christian”. What church? And what did you mother think about this? In my church circles, over the years, we were shown “anti-rock” exposes’ but I never have seen or even heard of an organized burning. I did hear of various kids either burning or otherwise destroying stuff deemed objectionable afterwards. A few months later, they usually started restoring their collections again. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/87 "2010-08-21T14:46:46Z")
> [@ethansiegel](#): > > The church responsible for this is in the town I lived in for 5 years: Gainesville, FL. > > They also brand themselves as a world outreach center. It’s a scary place, to say the least. > > They have a website if you actually want to see the crazy in action: [http://www.doveworld.org/](http://www.doveworld.org/) How big is this church? Preliminary reports I heard was that it was just 50 people, unless that was another church planning a Quran burning. This one makes itself out to be much larger. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/88 "2010-08-21T14:51:45Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > Fuck Mohammed. I think he was a pervert, and probably fucked pigs. > > No, no. Goats, maybe. Pigs are unclean to Muslims. Let’s not attribute vile sexual practices such as bestiality to Mohammed. No goats, no pigs, no animals at all. A nine-year old girl, however… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/89 "2010-08-21T16:20:28Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > In my church circles, over the years, we were shown “anti-rock” exposes’ but I never have seen or even heard of an organized burning. I did hear of various kids either burning or otherwise destroying stuff deemed objectionable afterwards. A few months later, they usually started restoring their collections again. There were lots of church-organized record-burnings during the 80s - mostly metal records. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/90 "2010-08-21T16:25:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > [@FriarTed](#): > > > > In my church circles, over the years, we were shown “anti-rock” exposes’ but I never have seen or even heard of an organized burning. I did hear of various kids either burning or otherwise destroying stuff deemed objectionable afterwards. A few months later, they usually started restoring their collections again. > > There were lots of church-organized record-burnings during the 80s - mostly metal records. And let’s not forget the Christian-Church-organized burnings of Beatles records following John Lennon’s 1966 lament that the Beatles seemed to be, temporarily, “more popular than Jesus”. No need to cite the Rutles, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/91 "2010-08-21T17:18:37Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > > No, no. Goats, maybe. Pigs are unclean to Muslims. > > Let’s not attribute vile sexual practices such as bestiality to Mohammed. No goats, no pigs, no animals at all. > > A nine-year old girl, however… … would be the wrong gender for a Catholic priest. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/92 "2010-08-21T19:02:22Z")
[Pastor Terry Jones arrested for Child Pornography](http://www.nbc.com/news/2010/08/06/pastor-terry-jones-arrested-for-child-pornography/). The church says that nevertheless, they’ll still be burning Qurans on 9/11. ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/93 "2010-08-21T19:12:01Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > [Pastor Terry Jones arrested for Child Pornography](http://www.nbc.com/news/2010/08/06/pastor-terry-jones-arrested-for-child-pornography/). > > The church says that nevertheless, they’ll still be burning Qurans on 9/11. Seems they don’t need a leader to make themselves look like a bunch of stupid, ignorant, ranting, bigots. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/94 "2010-08-21T20:10:25Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I really need to go into the book business and put out loads of books that really offend people. Imagine how many of those Qurans they’re buying just so they can burn them. > > And if I stock American flags too I can sell to the Middle East market after they hear about the Quran burning. > > Profit! Brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/95 "2010-08-21T22:44:50Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > I really need to go into the book business and put out loads of books that really offend people. Imagine how many of those Qurans they’re buying just so they can burn them. > > > > And if I stock American flags too I can sell to the Middle East market after they hear about the Quran burning. > > > > Profit! > > Brilliant! Apparently, stars and stripes toilet paper is a big seller in the Middle East. Despite the fact that they didn’t even use the stuff before. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/96 "2010-08-22T08:08:54Z")
Amusing new development : the church’s decision to go ahead and burn books against the decision of the fire department caused their insurance company to cancel their contract, AND their bank to call for immediate payment of their mortgage because of the fire risk. They now need to pony up $140.000 in short order. [Cite](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/fire_department_denies_florida_churchs_plans_to_burn_korans.php). Don’t you love it when stupid is its own punishment ? ---
**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/97 "2010-08-22T08:38:01Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Amusing new development : the church’s decision to go ahead and burn books against the decision of the fire department caused their insurance company to cancel their contract, AND their bank to call for immediate payment of their mortgage because of the fire risk. They now need to pony up $140.000 in short order. [Cite](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/fire_department_denies_florida_churchs_plans_to_burn_korans.php). > > Don’t you love it when stupid is its own punishment ? What a wonderful start to the day. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/98 "2010-08-22T08:52:33Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Don’t you love it when stupid is its own punishment ? I would have preferred that they did it calmly and rationally, instead of hoisting themselves by their own petard. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/99 "2010-08-22T12:57:59Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Amusing new development : the church’s decision to go ahead and burn books against the decision of the fire department caused their insurance company to cancel their contract, AND their bank to call for immediate payment of their mortgage because of the fire risk. They now need to pony up $140.000 in short order. [Cite](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/fire_department_denies_florida_churchs_plans_to_burn_korans.php). > > Don’t you love it when stupid is its own punishment ? Actually, the article does not state a causal relationship between the decision to continue the Quran burning and the insurance cancellation/the bank call. The article reads like the insurance cancellation & the bank call are just other problems facing the church. Do you have another source that there’s a causal relationship? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891/100 "2010-08-22T13:36:31Z")
I saw a series of photos of people standing next to the westboro loons with signs mocking them. As stupid as this is I’m not sure it’s worthy of outrage. Maybe some mocking would be approproate. How about showing up with signs saying “Proud Member of Idiots for Jesus” or Fanantics R [Us.com](http://Us.com) or I’f ya can’t read em, burn em. or Allah still loves You. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/burning-books-in-the-us-burn-quran-day/550891.md?page=6)