# Bus Crash Of Junior Hockey Players in Saskatchewan - Fatalities Confirmed \[in 2018\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 7, 2018, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965 "2018-04-07T05:41:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/101 "2018-04-10T04:01:40Z")
Interesting reading over the names of the GOFUNDME site Over 85 000 donations so far totaling 6.5 million, the majority being small businesses or individuals from Canada and smaller number from the USA. (but donations received from 60 countries) Not very many large recognizable corporate names with the exceptions being: Canadian Tire Husky Energy Chevrolet Canada Pittsburgh Penguins Calgary Flames Toronto Maple Leafs Bell Canada Incredibly large numbers of small companies or organizations donating in the $500 - $1000 range Way too numerous to mention Very few, if any, religion organizations have donated money in their name. Of course, the individual members can donate on their own Also on the list, A fair number of smaller Government agencies (ie Edmonton Airport authority) No breweries (ie no Molsons, Labatts, or even any of smaller Brewers) A few notable hockey players have donated - Cassie Campbell, Shawn Horcoff, Glenn Hall (yes that Glenn Hall) But a LOT of the big name superstars or ex-superstars have not donated (or are donating without giving their name), ie no Gretzky, Lemiuex, Messier, Jagr, McDavid, Crosby. (Part of the curse of being famous in for what you do and what you do NOT do) I will give Mario a pass since his Pittsburgh Penguins have donated heavily. Not many politicians on the list (I give credit to Justin Trudeau for showing up but if he has donated, he is not publishing it) Granted, it has only been a few days since the accident but if over 85 000 can find time to donate, so can others. Very interesting to see who has donated and who has NOT. Also, so far, any donations are NOT tax deductible but I expect that to change. Also now that the donations have reached 6.5 million, will it level off from donation fatigue ? ---
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/102 "2018-04-10T04:37:53Z")
A bit of an edit For Hockey players I see that Wade Redden and Craig Simpson have donated The NHL refs have donated. For large corporations, NONE of the major 5 banks in Canada have donated in their name (obviously, their employees are free to do so on their own) Very few news organizations (or newspapers) have donated (Although I think this has more to do with the newspaper industry hurting financially than anything else) ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/103 "2018-04-10T04:52:41Z")
I think it’s entirely possible and probable that individual hockey players have donated on their own anonymously. They realize this isn’t about them; it’s about helping the families. ---
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/104 "2018-04-10T05:33:25Z")
Surprisingly, there are not very many anonymous donors on the list. However, I do agree that some players have probably donated anonymously. What is more interesting is the lack of donations in some cases Of the 31 NHL teams, only 5 have donated so far Calgary Toronto and the Toronto Alumni Pittsburgh Ottawa Chicago Plus the Oshawa Generals (Major Junior team) and the Sherwood Park Crusaders (Minor junior team) in terms of major donations Of note, I only looked at the $500 level and above No donations yet!!! (In terms of Canadian teams) from Edmonton Montreal Vancouver Winnipeg None from the U.S. teams except for Pittsburgh and Chicago That in a way is telling of the financial strength of the team in that a stronger team is more likely to donate than a weaker team. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/105 "2018-04-10T08:08:30Z")
> [@ssgenius](#): > > Very interesting to see who has donated and who has NOT. Its more interesting that somebody would come along and start pointing fingers because they think or feel that certain people didn’t give the right charity. I don’t think this is how charity works. ---
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/106 "2018-04-10T09:29:33Z")
I am well aware of what a charity is. That was the original idea behind the “United Way” in that it would be a one stop place for charity instead of having a multitude of charities operating. However, their focus is on larger scale operations. This “Go Fund Me” has taken an opposite approach in that it allows smaller individual projects for fund raising (It allows someone to crowd fund their way in college, or to the Olympics for example) It also allows for a much more personal donation to be directed specifically. Also interesting in that this hockey team bus disaster is now up to the 4 th highest fundraiser undertaken by them. (Note that there are other Go Fund Me fundraisers for this bus crash, this is just the one that has got all the attention) It is also interesting to see some of the other fundraising projects there. As I have mentioned, one is judged by what they do and also what they fail to do. Sports teams (most notably football) try to hold cities hostage for their Super stadiums. Hockey also follows this trend. For example, the Edmonton Oilers have a new $500+ million dollar stadium and asked for tax breaks (which is a form of charity) to get it built. Yet, they have yet to donate (nor have any of their current players donated as of yet) Also note the the highest donation so far (by Canadian Tire) is $50 000 which is a magnitude lower than the cost of their new stadium. I find it interesting that these teams beg for these cathedral type of stadiums but fail to donate to a disaster like this. However, it is only a few days after this so they still have time for it. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/107 "2018-04-10T09:42:33Z")
How much did you give? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/108 "2018-04-10T09:57:22Z")
> [@ssgenius](#): > > Very interesting to see who has donated and who has NOT. It doesn’t show who has not donated. Donors have the option of not disclosing their names (except to the recipient), and obviously Gofundme has no idea who has given money through other means (if I was making a large donation to a cause, I’d be looking for a way to give that doesn’t charge a percentage). ---
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/109 "2018-04-10T10:14:31Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > How much did you give? $500 as I know some of their relatives ---
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/110 "2018-04-10T10:18:19Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > It doesn’t show who has not donated. Donors have the option of not disclosing their names (except to the recipient), and obviously Gofundme has no idea who has given money through other means (if I was making a large donation to a cause, I’d be looking for a way to give that doesn’t charge a percentage). Gofundme does NOT charge anything. In November 2017, GoFundMe announced that it will no longer charge a 5% fee per donation for US, Canada, and UK individual campaigns, and instead rely upon tips left by donors to support the website.[7] The processing fee for online credit card payments will still apply to donations.[28] ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/111 "2018-04-10T10:41:17Z")
> [@ssgenius](#): > > $500 as I know some of their relatives Is that all? Doesn’t seem much, especially considering you know some of their relatives. Probably a magnitude lower than some of your other expenses as well. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/112 "2018-04-10T11:52:53Z")
You also seem to be assuming that the only way to donate is by GoFundMe. The Jets and the Blackhawks have both indicated that they would each donate $25,000 to the Broncos. They could easily have done that by sending the cheques directly to the team. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/113 "2018-04-10T12:15:55Z")
> [@ssgenius](#): > > Gofundme does NOT charge anything. > > In November 2017, GoFundMe announced that it will no longer charge a 5% fee per donation for US, Canada, and UK individual campaigns, and instead rely upon tips left by donors to support the website.[7] **The processing fee for online credit card payments will still apply to donations.** [28] Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/114 "2018-04-10T13:23:28Z")
National Team of Ukraine held a service and made a memorial outside the Canadian Embassy in Kiev. A heartfelt gesture. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/115 "2018-04-10T14:05:00Z")
\*\*ssgenius, \*\*do you think everyone should donate to the Broncos? There are millions of people in need - not just one hockey team however tragic their circumstances. Perhaps some would-be donors, seeing how successful fund-raising for the Broncos has been, decided to spend their charity dollars on someone else in need who is largely obscure and unknown? Perhaps some donors have sent money outside of GoFundMe? I find your implication that individuals and organizations are at fault if they don’t donate to that particular campaign or in your opinion, don’t give enough, a bit disturbing. Charity is voluntary. Forced charity is a tax. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/116 "2018-04-10T14:23:35Z")
Oh c’mon **Boomstick** , let him have his moment of _faux_ moral superiority. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/117 "2018-04-10T19:00:40Z")
Missed the edit window; that post was supposed to have: 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/118 "2018-04-11T00:35:22Z")
[Our front porch today.](https://imgur.com/a/uEvsg) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/119 "2018-04-11T00:38:25Z")
“The boys might need it … wherever they are.” ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965/120 "2018-04-11T17:19:55Z")
I found out last night that one of my cousins is among the dead. My dad was born in St. Gregor, about 20 km east of Humbolt, and I have lots of family in the area. The only time I met the kid was at a reunion over a decade ago, he was only waist high at the time. I do remember his parents being awesome people, and I’m sad not just for their loss, but everyone’s loss in this tragedy. I want to thank **Northern Piper** for starting this thread and then keeping it up to date. Your last post makes water rise to my eyes every time I read it. Thank you. My thoughts on those who are using this as an opportunity to shame others for their charitable donations or lack thereof can’t be shared outside the pit. If you want to find them out, just post that shit one in this thread one more time, and I WILL pit you and let you know exactly what kind of garbage person I think you are in excruciating detail. Be forewarned. > [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > [Our front porch today.](https://imgur.com/a/uEvsg) There’s a lone hockey stick out on my front porch tight now too. #PutYourStickOut [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bus-crash-of-junior-hockey-players-in-saskatchewan-fatalities-confirmed-in-2018/811965.md?page=7)