# Bush admin contacts Jack Van Impe for advice **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2003, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290 "2003-08-15T01:11:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/21 "2003-08-15T23:19:53Z")
Look Bush is a cunt and therefore he only likes to associate with cunts. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2003, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/22 "2003-08-15T23:28:06Z")
I wonder if JVI cried like he usually does. Meh ---
**Author:** ![ShoNuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@ShoNuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShoNuff)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2003, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/23 "2003-08-15T23:32:49Z")
Well, at least she’s not trying to contact the spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2003, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/24 "2003-08-16T00:39:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reeder \* > \*\*Tell me wingnut…the posts I put in GD that you and Mr Mace say don’t belong there…Just how many have been moved or closed by the real mods? > > How many? \*\* How many of them have resulted in real debates? How many? I think the Mods have been treating you like **december** by allowing your threads to die on their own merits. Most of them turn into flame wars, mild ones at that, but still flame wars. That should give you some sort of clue as to where you should post your screeds. BTW, I’ll refer you to **fruitbat** ’s post, since you obviously didn’t read it. The reason why “we all agree that there is no debate” is because, as usual, you didn’t even try to start one. There’s literally nothing to debate. You linked to a source, gave a one-liner in typical fashion, and expected people to line up behind you to agree. That is not a debate. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/25 "2003-08-16T01:44:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ShoNuff \* > \*\*Well, at least she’s not trying to contact the spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt. \*\* Or the Presidential Astrologer… Still wanna play “Whose president was the bigger loon?” ---
**Author:** ![DeadJesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/35a633/32.png) [@DeadJesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadJesus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2003, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/26 "2003-08-16T12:29:06Z")
I agree with **FriarTed** , I think the Bush administration was just looking for some guidance: GWB: Y’know Condi, we gotta keep a step ahead of the religious extremists if we are going succeed in the war on terrorism. Condi: Yes, sir. GWB: So what would a religious extremist who’s bent on starting a holy war in order to create a fundamentalist new world order do? Condi: Hmmm…I don’t know sir. GWB: Hmmm…I dunno either. Condi: Well, why don’t we ask a religious extremist what they’d do? GWB: Good idea, Condi! Uh, who should we call? Condi: Hmmm…I know, Jack Van Impe! (I’m hoping that this is why Condi contacted (if she really did) Jack Van Impe.) **FriarTed** , how are you less of a Christian “Zionist” than Jack Van Impe? Is the conversion of the remaining Jews after Armageddon not a requirement for Jesus to come back for you? ;j ---
**Author:** ![GoldenGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8edcca/32.png) [@GoldenGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GoldenGael)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2003, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/27 "2003-08-16T14:53:38Z")
I know it’s clear that Bush and many of his cronies are borderline religious nut cases, but I have never heard such a pronouncement against Advisor Rice. Has anyone any stories to the contrary? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/28 "2003-08-17T23:58:16Z")
Really. This is one case in which I would give credence to Dr. Rice’s “no-I-didn’t” side of the story. Or at the very least, be inclined to belive JVI is wildly exaggerating and distorting the nature of whatever contact he got from the NSC, probably knowing that she will consider it beneath her to slap him down. Y’know, I’m upset enough that on a good day the Prez looks mildly spaced out, that he is firmly in the Fat Cats’ pocket and that he has Johnny Ashcroft running around w/o a leash. But I wonder about the giving equal plausibility to JYI’s claim as to Condi’s. What, just because Dubs is not the brightest bulb in the marquee, everyone around him is some sort of fuckin’ lunatic? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/29 "2003-08-18T00:11:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Look Bush is a cunt and therefore he only likes to associate with cunts. You are giving cunts a bad name. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/30 "2003-08-18T00:49:21Z")
Sorry for the hijack of what looks like a lovely developing trainwreck, but I was completely smitten by the name **Rexella** , which I haven’t encountered before. [I found a pic and story that I thought I should share.](http://www.jvim.com/PerhapsToday/septoct2001/lookingatmyself.html) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/31 "2003-08-18T01:16:19Z")
Of course, many of the tiny-brained idiots here are taking the word of JVI over the word of Dr.Rice, thus giving him defacto support. In other words, **Reeder** and gang _want_ JVI to ‘give advice’ to Dr.Rice. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/32 "2003-08-18T01:24:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zoe \* > \*\*You are giving cunts a bad name. \*\* Quite. I’m not ashamed of my long-standing association with cunts, and I don’t see why George should be, either. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/33 "2003-08-18T03:36:11Z")
The Buffalo News provided a little more flesh for the story today: [‘Christian Zionists’ resist Bush on Mideast peace](http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20030817/1001565.asp) Apparently, Condoleezza met in secret with about 40 church representatives on July 14th, in an attempt to sell them on the creation of a Palestinian state as part of the “roadmap” for peace. Van Impe was invited, did not attend, but wanted to make his views on the peace process known through a video presentation: > [@](#): > > One prominent televangelist who was invited to the White House meeting, the Rev. Jack Van Impe of Troy, Mich., chose not to attend. His office said he could not schedule it. > On the Jack Van Impe Ministries Web site, the preacher told of being invited to attend and being asked for his views on the plan by the national security adviser. > Van Impe’s executive director, Ken Vancil, said that instead of attending, Van Impe is preparing a videotape presentation for the president. > … > National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormick said the White House did not ask Van Impe to make a presentation. McCormick said the meeting is one of many the White House conducts to meet with leaders in various walks of life. He denied it was held to sell evangelists on the peace plan. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/34 "2003-08-18T06:49:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reeder \* > \*\*Because this is so stupid even you won’t debate it. > > And when all agree there is no debate. > > \*\* RIGHT! Because it’s such an obvious load of shit. Tell me you don’t actually _believe_ this one. Because if you believe it, you are an idiot. I mean, you _know_ it’s horeshit, right? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/35 "2003-08-18T14:37:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Because it’s such an obvious load of shit. Geez **spooje** , that’s it ? That’s your whole argument ? Not even any cites to white house denials that the meeting ever took place ? There can’t have been a misundercommunication here because it’s _ **all** _ shit ? I’ve seen better analyses come spurting out the end of my dick ! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/36 "2003-08-18T15:29:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Squink \* > \*\*Apparently, Condoleezza met in secret with about 40 church representatives on July 14th, in an attempt to sell them on the creation of a Palestinian state as part of the “roadmap” for peace. Van Impe was invited, did not attend, but wanted to make his views on the peace process known through a video presentation: \*\* Ok, so that’s plausable, and not particularly sinister or creepy. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/37 "2003-08-18T21:41:34Z")
DeadJ(of which there are plenty, fortunately there is one Jesus who was dead & now lives & reigns forever~ Ha!): I am less of a ChristianZionist than Jack VanImpe because… - I am not against even the idea of a Palestinian state, - I do not give rubber-stamp support to anything the State of Israel does to secure its ancient Biblical borders (obviously, as the existence of a Palestinian state as presently envisioned would be within those borders), - I am not sold on Jack VanImpe’s End-Times scenario (Dispensationalist PreTribulational PreMillenialism), - I believe Jesus can return with or without a State of Israel and with or without the “conversion of the Jews” and even with or without a future Armageddon. It may well be there will be a future AntiChrist & Tribulation & Armageddon & Millenium, it also may well be the historical defeat of prior AntiChrists, the failure of their Tribulations in their Armageddons, & the global spread of the Christian faith (which will include the entry of the Jewish people into faith in Jesus & the incorporation of their culture & rites into world Christendom) will fulfill such prophecies. In short, I can see ChristianZionism as fitting into a Preterist/Historicist PostMillenial context (which is great as it requires no future extermination of 2/3s of the Jews as predicted in Zechariah, that could have been fulfilled in 70 AD & the historical persecutions against the Jews both by apostate Christendom & secularist regimes.) Btw, I was a VanImpe supporter & a DispyPreTribPreMiller in the 1970s & very early 80s & I think is a True Believer, so naturally he would just keep applying the same prophecies to different situations as his prior applications prove wrong. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/38 "2003-08-18T21:42:00Z")
DeadJ(of which there are plenty, fortunately there is one Jesus who was dead & now lives & reigns forever~ Ha!): I am less of a ChristianZionist than Jack VanImpe because… - I am not against even the idea of a Palestinian state, - I do not give rubber-stamp support to anything the State of Israel does to secure its ancient Biblical borders (obviously, as the existence of a Palestinian state as presently envisioned would be within those borders), - I am not sold on Jack VanImpe’s End-Times scenario (Dispensationalist PreTribulational PreMillenialism), - I believe Jesus can return with or without a State of Israel and with or without the “conversion of the Jews” and even with or without a future Armageddon. It may well be there will be a future AntiChrist & Tribulation & Armageddon & Millenium, it also may well be the historical defeat of prior AntiChrists, the failure of their Tribulations in their Armageddons, & the global spread of the Christian faith (which will include the entry of the Jewish people into faith in Jesus & the incorporation of their culture & rites into world Christendom) will fulfill such prophecies. In short, I can see ChristianZionism as fitting into a Preterist/Historicist PostMillenial context (which is great as it requires no future extermination of 2/3s of the Jews as predicted in Zechariah, that could have been fulfilled in 70 AD & the historical persecutions against the Jews both by apostate Christendom & secularist regimes.) Btw, I was a VanImpe supporter & a DispyPreTribPreMiller in the 1970s & very early 80s & I think he is a True Believer, so naturally he would just keep applying the same prophecies to different situations as his prior applications prove wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/39 "2003-08-19T08:07:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Squink \* > \*\*Geez **spooje** , that’s it ? That’s your whole argument ? Not even any cites to white house denials that the meeting ever took place ? There can’t have been a misundercommunication here because it’s _ **all** _ shit ? > I’ve seen better analyses come spurting out the end of my dick ! \*\* You want analysis, go to GD. It’s a blurb on the _Entertainment_ page. That’s how seriously MSNBC takes it. But **Reeder** presents it as the Godshonesttruth of how clueless the Bush Administration is. And even his cite doesn’t say there was a meeting. Impe says he was contacted. If Charles Nelson Reily says HE was contacted for spiritual advice, are we supposed to take THAT seriously too? Yes, the Bush Administration IS clueless. But not as clueless as **Reeder**. Or you. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290/40 "2003-08-19T14:35:59Z")
Charles Nelson Reilly would NOT lie about something like that! Hm-hmph-HMMMM!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-contacts-jack-van-impe-for-advice/195290.md?page=3)