# Bush admin continues anti-gay jihad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2004, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569 "2004-09-22T22:01:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/21 "2004-09-23T01:51:30Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m trying (really, really trying) to separate **Bricker** ’s firm commitment to constitutional separation of powers and the sovereignty of the people from the possibility that he just doesn’t consider homosexual relationships to be substantively equivalent to heterosexual relationships and therefore the matter of gay marriage not important enough to worry about, but it gets harder every time he posts in a political thread. He has stated very clearly that he doesn’t consider gay relationships equal to straight ones. There’s no need for the separation. His whole legal arguement is a convenient hook to hang his bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/22 "2004-09-23T01:55:13Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > He has stated very clearly that he doesn’t consider gay relationships equal to straight ones. There’s no need for the separation. His whole legal arguement is a convenient hook to hang his bigotry. Call me a cock-eyed optimist. I hadn’t remembered **Bricker** specifically saying that until he explicitly posted it in his brand new Pit thread. Now I remember why I prefer to be a “someone stole my glass” pessimist… ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/23 "2004-09-23T04:09:50Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > [cough]delayed S&L investigations until after '88 election to conceal son Neil’s involvement costing tax payers billions[/cough][cough]almost totally lacking in domestic policy[/cough] And didn’t the bombing start on the very day that Neil was testifying in the Silverado case? I remember quite clearly hearing on the evening news that the next day he was to testify because I wanted to hear him try to weasel his way out of it but the next day the warcompletely dominated the news. Thought the coincidence was _interesting_ at the time. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/24 "2004-09-23T06:07:48Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > Y’all can probably do it in public without fear that someone’s going to take you out back and bash your head in with a brick. Reginald Denny was gay? :eek: > **[Dead or Alive?](https://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/names/Reginald_Denny)** > > Use this site to find out if famous people are dead or alive. ---
**Author:** ![Cerri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Cerri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerri)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/25 "2004-09-23T09:53:41Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Maybe it’s just me, but when people here are talking about how Bush may do away with some of the essential protections against discrimination, and that they’re worried about their jobs and their lively hood, for you to come in here and start saying how “gleful” you’ll be if he’s reelected somehow strikes me as pretty damn shitty. > > Of course, like I said, it could be just me. Nope, it’s not just you. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/26 "2004-09-23T10:05:52Z")
Maybe Bush and some imams can get together, huh. A cyber-imam [from the Netherlands] answers a lot of questions from young Muslims. Questions on this site are about the way Islam teaches about homosexuality: “… the argument (about the punishment of homosexuality) that is amongst the “learned” is only about the way of how the punishment has to be; some say that the person needs to be beheaded with a sword, others say that he has to be tossed from a high point and then to be stoned”. Sounds like a true jihad. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/27 "2004-09-23T10:50:57Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > lively hood I swear I tried to hold back on this but it’s just too obvious. Are you saying only uncircumsized gays are affected by discrimination? Or did you mean to say livelihood? (end snarkiness) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/28 "2004-09-23T11:02:12Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Reginald Denny was gay? :eek: > > [http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf/dnames-nf/Denny+Reginald](http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf/dnames-nf/Denny+Reginald) What the fuck are you talking about, **duffer**? What the hell does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to say that because people are subject to violence for all kinds of reasons, that means gay-bashing isn’t such a big deal? What the _fuck_? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/29 "2004-09-23T11:25:11Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > What the fuck are you talking about, **duffer**? What the hell does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to say that because people are subject to violence for all kinds of reasons, that means gay-bashing isn’t such a big deal? > > What the _fuck_? No, it was a specific response to a specific crime carried out, hypothetically, against a gay person. Though I was the only one to think of an actual cite about someone being beaten by a brick. Is this going to just keep going on? I mean you trying to find a way to dump on me based on my username? If so, just say it and I can take care of it in a few seconds. And when you tell me where I condoned gay-bashing, or when I EVER said it was acceptable, I’ll let you off my dick. Fucking dink. You know, if you wanted to see gay-bashing you should have known me 10 years ago. Over that time I’ve grown a little to accept different lifestyles and learned to be less judgemental. Yeah, I still put my foot in my mouth from time to time but try to learn from my mistakes. But given how you and the other gay Dopers are launching personal attacks on me at the drop of a hat (including some follow ups from others after I expressly made an apology to you in another thread) I can only assume this is the general feeling of gays in America. And frankly, I’m just about done trying. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/30 "2004-09-23T11:33:01Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Is this going to just keep going on? I mean you trying to find a way to dump on me based on my username? If so, just say it and I can take care of it in a few seconds. What the hell are you talking about? Where did he dump on you based on your username? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/31 "2004-09-23T11:38:30Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > What the hell are you talking about? Where did he dump on you based on your username? Seems lately anything I post is shortly met with a slam. Maybe I’m being oversensitive. And it seems to be after a post I made which I later made an apology for. Whatever the case, I’m done fighting. More important things to do than get into a flame war. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/32 "2004-09-23T11:44:03Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Seems lately anything I post is shortly met with a slam. Maybe I’m being oversensitive. And it seems to be after a post I made which I later made an apology for. Whatever the case, I’m done fighting. More important things to do than get into a flame war. 🙂 Oh. I thought you meant he was slamming your username itself or something. Never mind… ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/33 "2004-09-23T11:46:21Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Oh. I thought you meant he was slamming your username itself or something. Never mind… As soon as I posted my response it occured to me that’s what you meant. Before digging the hole deeper, I’m gonna get some sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/34 "2004-09-23T12:31:35Z")
I heard a good one: Q - What were Mathew Shepard’s politics? A - He was leaning towards the Democrats, but then some Republicans had a chat with him and he ended up on the fence. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/35 "2004-09-23T12:41:24Z")
> [@Evil Death](#): > > I heard a good one: > > Q - What were Mathew Shepard’s politics? > > A - He was leaning towards the Democrats, but then some Republicans had a chat with him and he ended up on the fence. I’m almost ashamed to call myself a Scot. ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/36 "2004-09-23T12:50:53Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > No, it was a specific response to a specific crime carried out, hypothetically, against a gay person. Though I was the only one to think of an actual cite about someone being beaten by a brick. > > Is this going to just keep going on? I mean you trying to find a way to dump on me based on my username? If so, just say it and I can take care of it in a few seconds. > > And when you tell me where I condoned gay-bashing, or when I EVER said it was acceptable, I’ll let you off my dick. Fucking dink. > > You know, if you wanted to see gay-bashing you should have known me 10 years ago. Over that time I’ve grown a little to accept different lifestyles and learned to be less judgemental. Yeah, I still put my foot in my mouth from time to time but try to learn from my mistakes. But given how you and the other gay Dopers are launching personal attacks on me at the drop of a hat (including some follow ups from others after I expressly made an apology to you in another thread) I can only assume this is the general feeling of gays in America. And frankly, I’m just about done trying. **FUCK THAT SHIT!** You come into a thread that is specifically about anti-gay sentiment in the current administration, and you post a cryptic two-line post about some guy who was beaten up after the Rodney King ruling, which as far as I can remember was about racism, not homophobia. I ask you what that has to do with anything, and all of a sudden we get _this_ bullshit? And because I ask you what the fuck you’re talking about, all of a sudden you’re being persecuted not just by the Gay SDMB Mafia, but by all gay people in the United States? The hell?!? Sure, I’m a fag, but I think you seriously overestimate how much pull I have among other homosexuals. We’re not all on some goddamn mailing list, checking with each other before we make a concerted attack on some poor sap who comes into a gays-only thread and says something not politically correct enough. And if you can take the words of one homosexual man on a message board and extrapolate that to mean that you can dismiss the “general feeling of gays in America”, I hate to break it to you, but maybe 10 years wasn’t long enough to learn about tolerance. I can think for myself, thanks. And I _still_ don’t know what your post was trying to say! I was guessing based on the random snarky comments you’ve made in other gay threads! Where in the hell was I making fun of your name? You like golf? What’s so fucking gay about that? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/37 "2004-09-23T12:55:18Z")
Meh, keep off of **duffer**. I may not always agree with him, and he often puts his foot in his mouth, but he’s good folk. Most of the time his posts are full of snarky whooshiness and whooshy snarkiness. Cut him some slack. He’s far better than Nazi Bricker and Village Idiot Brutus, after all. ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/38 "2004-09-23T12:56:34Z")
> [@Evil Death](#): > > I heard a good one: > > Q - What were Mathew Shepard’s politics? > > A - He was leaning towards the Democrats, but then some Republicans had a chat with him and he ended up on the fence. If only we lived in a society where people were abducted, brutally beaten, crucified, and left for dead for being fucking inhuman inbred _idiots_ instead of being gay. Then that so-called “joke” never would’ve been made, _and_ there would’ve been no one to post it here on this board. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/39 "2004-09-23T13:02:43Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > If only we lived in a society where people were abducted, brutally beaten, crucified, and left for dead for being fucking inhuman inbred _idiots_ instead of being gay. Then that so-called “joke” never would’ve been made, _and_ there would’ve been no one to post it here on this board. **SolGrundy** , while I agree with your politics, I seriously think you need to lighten up a bit. You’re gonna give yourself a heart attack if you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569/40 "2004-09-23T13:06:34Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Seems lately anything I post is shortly met with a slam. Maybe you should think before you post crass and hurtful things. I read posts, get upset, and then check the username. To be fair, in this case, I couldn’t remember who Denny was, so I glossed right over your comment. Per the discussion that followed… If you think he’s the _only_ person to _ever_ be bashed in the head with a brick, that’s somewhat naive. And yes, I’m aware I have no sense of humor. **SolGrundy** , there’s nothing to suggest that the people who killed Matthew Shepard were inbred. If you’re so into fighting bigotry, try looking in the mirror. Per the OP… I was considering applying for a federal job this week, because of the job security. I guess since it also requires a security clearance, my dykey white ass is out of luck. ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-admin-continues-anti-gay-jihad/265569.md?page=3)