[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]
And how many Iraqi deaths, military and civilian, can be attributed to the Gulf War plus 12 years of sanctions plus the invasion and all its attendant destruction of infrastructure plus three years of occupation and insurgency?
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What does that have to do with the price of butter in Denmark? All that argues for is better planning.
As if this war would be a success if it had only been planned better, not that the objectives themselves were utterly misconceived? Come on now.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
What does that have to do with the price of butter in Denmark? All that argues for is better planning.
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Right. And the problem with the Hindenberg was that it didn’t have enough fire extinguishers.
No, John, what it argues for is the need to weigh the evils you wish to fight against the evils you will cause by fighting them.
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]
Right. And the problem with the Hindenberg was that it didn’t have enough fire extinguishers.
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So, the Iraqis are either doomed to kiling each other or being under the iron fist of a tyrant? How long is this-- forever? Iraq was an artificially created country in the first place.
Yes, that’s exactly what you do. You keep ignoring the fact that we (and the British) were the ones holding Saddam at bay. We weren’t morally obligated to do that forever, and if we left there is every indication that Saddam would’ve returned to his brutal ways-- and his sons after him.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
So, the Iraqis are either doomed to kiling each other or being under the iron fist of a tyrant?
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On the evidence, yes. History condemned them to that fate as it condemned the Yugoslavians.
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]
On the evidence, yes. History condemned them to that fate as it condemned the Yugoslavians.
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Well, we have a very different moral compass then. I don’t accept that “history” or “fate” are controlling factors in human action.