# Bush 'Angry' at media, second-guessers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 2, 2003, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946 "2003-04-02T13:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![skankweirdall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c6cbf5/32.png) [@skankweirdall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skankweirdall)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/21 "2003-04-02T16:38:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elfje \* > \*\*“The thought of another assault on the United States horrifies Bush. Aides say he believes history and heaven will judge him by his ability to prevent one.” > > really? > they’re not going to judge him on the fact he was unable to _keep_ peace? that he actually started a war? > > ugh… > > :mad: \*\* Here is another retarded mouthpiece statement. Bush didn’t start the fucking war idiot. He is finishing a war that Saddam started. There was never a fucking end to the original Gulf War, it was a cease fire based on the continual actions of Saddam and his government to adhere to the terms of the cease fire. If you don’t abide by the terms we come back and fucking finish the job that we so gratefully stopped to give you, Saddam another chance to show that you are willing to play in the world theatre. Since he was not willing to do so we are making good on the cease fire agreement that says we can come back and finish the job we started. How fucking hard is that to understand??? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/22 "2003-04-02T16:39:27Z")
Dear President Bush: If it makes you feel any better, **skankwierdall** is infuriated, too. Regards, E\_K P.S. Er, ‘weener wranglers?’ ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/23 "2003-04-02T16:42:04Z")
wait, the US is the UN now? I’m confused… ---
**Author:** ![skankweirdall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c6cbf5/32.png) [@skankweirdall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skankweirdall)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/24 "2003-04-02T16:42:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrVisible \* > \*\*Oh, and **skankweirdall** , if you want a good background on the objections to this war, specifically how it is being waged, please go to [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=172697), and study it carefully. > > Being pissed off at a sarcastic Pit thread for not being very informative doesn’t make a tremendous amount of sense, y’know. \*\* This is the pit right? Is this not the place to get pissed off? This is the ranting, flaming place right? Don’t take it so seriously guys. ---
**Author:** ![nogginhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5e9695/32.png) [@nogginhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nogginhead)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/25 "2003-04-02T16:43:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by skankweirdall \* > \*\*Oh fucking bullshit! Do any of you have any idea how hard this must be for him? > \*\* Oh yeah, it’s hard for him! All he has to do is send your son into harm’s way and watch his approval ratings soar! > [@](#): > > You all sit here and armchair analyze everything without really knowing dick. How you’d do this and that, and GWB must really be an idiot to think that this war was going to easy, blah, blah, blah. You all are no better than what you claim him to be. I think you’re responding to some other thread. No one here has even mentioned how they’d do things better, etc. And I don’t see anyone claiming they wouldn’t respond the way he is… we just think it’s inappropriate the way he’s reponding. > [@](#): > > Nothing but a fucking mouthpiece for the retarded, limp wristed, weener wranglers of this world. Go back to high school, if you think allusions to sexual orientation and jockitude carries any weight around here! Sheesh! Look what happens when you make internet access too easy. Mm’kay? Loser? ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/26 "2003-04-02T16:45:15Z")
The thing about getting pissed off in the Pit is that it can lead to getting pissed on. Heat, kitchen, that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/27 "2003-04-02T16:45:53Z")
It’s just that it’s kinda like being mad at the news segments from Saturday Night Live for not having comprehensive stock market coverage. There are other venues for that. And if you don’t want to be taken seriously when using language like that, don’t post. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/28 "2003-04-02T16:52:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*You could read anything you wanted to into that story. > > Bush is a good guy, Bush is a bad guy. > > But it doesn’t really contain any information, it’s a “human interest” piece. \*\* I agree. Who was the source? My sister’s friend’s cousin who knew this one guy in high school? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/29 "2003-04-02T16:54:11Z")
[sub]Did **skankweirdall** really just call us “weener wranglers”?[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![skankweirdall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c6cbf5/32.png) [@skankweirdall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skankweirdall)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/30 "2003-04-02T16:55:18Z")
So I should have started another thread? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/31 "2003-04-02T16:55:35Z")
“Bush believes he was called by God to lead the nation at this time, says Commerce Secretary Don Evans, a close friend who talks with Bush every day.” Well, at least he realizes it wasn’t the voters. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/32 "2003-04-02T16:55:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*I think he did, in fact, expect everyone to “fall in line”. It has never failed before, once you start banging the drums and bleating about “supporting our troops”, the public falls into step. \*\* Uh… well, no, that’s not true at all. You may recall that a great number of the public were not in step with Vietnam. George W. Bush should know all about the Vietnam protests - after all, he spent the entire war in the United States. then skankweirdall says: > [@](#): > > Do any of you have any idea how hard this must be for him? Now, I may not be a genius. I don’t have all the answers. I’m not Yoda. But I do know this: IF YOU DON’T WANT TO WORK HARD AND MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS, DON’T RUN FOR PRESIDENT! If Bush didn’t know this job could be tough, he’s even more stupid than I thought. Now is not the time to start bitching about how hard to job is. And it’s certainly not the time for him to resort to spiritualist delusions to get him through his little war. Can you imagine if Bush had to manage a REAL war, like WWII? His head would explode. ---
**Author:** ![skankweirdall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c6cbf5/32.png) [@skankweirdall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skankweirdall)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/33 "2003-04-02T16:59:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giraffe \* > \*\*[sub]Did **skankweirdall** really just call us “weener wranglers”?[/sub] \*\* No, I said “You all are no better than what you claim him to be. Nothing but a fucking mouthpiece for the retarded, limp wristed, weener wranglers of this world.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/34 "2003-04-02T17:00:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RickJay \* > George W. Bush should know all about the Vietnam protests - after all, he spent the entire war in the United States. One would think that. But, when asked once what the atmosphere was at Yale regarding the war when he was there, Fratboy answered that _he didn’t recall the subject even coming up in discussion_. Uh, wow. ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/35 "2003-04-02T17:03:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Take your fucking\*\* bark-o-lounging ass\*\* over there and do something better. 🆒 If I used a sig, that’d be it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/36 "2003-04-02T17:03:00Z")
Oh, well, that’s okay then. Can I speak for the non-retarded non limp wristed weener wranglers too? They need some representation in this debate. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/37 "2003-04-02T17:10:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by skankweirdall \*Oh fucking bullshit! Do any of you have any idea how hard this must be for him? Well, yes, but not in the way you might think. Have you seen the video of him pumping his fist and yelling “Yes! Feels good!” before his speech solemnly announcing the war? Yep, that was “hard”, wasn’t it? > [@](#): > > Get your fucking asses elected Naw, fish in a barrel here. > [@](#): > > fits that all you liberals are having is having a negative effect on the troops and the war. What effect has there been so far? And why would you think that anyone who thinks Bush is wrong must be a “liberal”? You won’t convince a soul that way. > [@](#): > > Yes we should support our troops whole heartedly. And we do. What makes you think any differently? Who have you actually heard say otherwise? Or do you only know what people who disagree with you are saying through what people who agree with you caricature it as, when they’re not flat-out lying? We do support our troops, as a natural consequence of not wanting their lives to be wasted in a counterproductive effort that will ultimately only get more of us killed, along with other side effects, mostly negative. Can you understand that? > [@](#): > > Fine if you disagree with the current administrations action. Come up with logical responsible arguements against it then, not some fucking conspiracy, oil, Muslims hate us, Saddam wasn’t dangerous, GWB is an idiot drivel. If those were the arguments, you might have a point. But you’re not interested in actually finding out, are you? > [@](#): > > Have some real hard facts and an alternative solution, We wish Bush and his apostles did just that. > [@](#): > > besides negotiations Why not? > [@](#): > > Mm’kay? \*\* Mm’kay? ---
**Author:** ![skankweirdall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c6cbf5/32.png) [@skankweirdall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skankweirdall)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/38 "2003-04-02T17:13:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RickJay \* > \*\* > > Now, I may not be a genius. I don’t have all the answers. I’m not Yoda. But I do know this: > > IF YOU DON’T WANT TO WORK HARD AND MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS, DON’T RUN FOR PRESIDENT! > > If Bush didn’t know this job could be tough, he’s even more stupid than I thought. Now is not the time to start bitching about how hard to job is. And it’s certainly not the time for him to resort to spiritualist delusions to get him through his little war. > > Can you imagine if Bush had to manage a REAL war, like WWII? His head would explode. \*\* Of course he knew it would be tough, and tough decisions have to be made. So what? Are you a parent? Have you had to make tough decisions? Is there something wrong with being upset about the way some people handle themselves and/or criticize you? I just got criticized here for the way I handled myself. Should I have expected it? Yes. Was it truthfull? Almost. That’s why it doesn’t bother me. If the criticism had been full of lies and slander about me, my true intentions, or even my intelligence then yeah, I’d be upset. As it was the criticism that I received was what my actions demonstrated my motives to be. Was it my true intention? No. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/39 "2003-04-02T17:20:46Z")
**skankweirdall** , how could anyone even think of criticizing your intelligence? I mean, really. ---
**Author:** ![skankweirdall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c6cbf5/32.png) [@skankweirdall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skankweirdall)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946/40 "2003-04-02T17:32:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \* > \*\*Well, yes, but not in the way you might think. Have you seen the video of him pumping his fist and yelling “Yes! Feels good!” before his speech solemnly announcing the war? Yep, that was “hard”, wasn’t it? > > Short replies because I have to go to work. It’s called adrenalin. Try it some time. > Naw, fish in a barrel here. > Exactly, just like all the anti-war guys are taking pot shots at him now. > What effect has there been so far? And why would you think that anyone who thinks Bush is wrong must be a “liberal”? You won’t convince a soul that way. > Hmm, can’t say with certainty except for the email I had from there saying how they don’t understand why their own countrymen would be protesting them doing their jobs over their. You see they believe in what they’re doing. > > The liberal thing? You have to be kidding right? Like more than 90% of the anti-war people aren’t liberals? If not then the liberal media has it all wrong. > > And we do. What makes you think any differently? Who have you actually heard say otherwise? Or do you only know what people who disagree with you are saying through what people who agree with you caricature it as, when they’re not flat-out lying? We do support our troops, as a natural consequence of not wanting their lives to be wasted in a counterproductive effort that will ultimately only get more of us killed, along with other side effects, mostly negative. Can you understand that? > > This is exactly the type of thing I railed about. How do you know it’s a counterproductive effort? How can you state with certainty that it will get more of us killed? Are you psychic? > > If those were the arguments, you might have a point. But you’re not interested in actually finding out, are you? > Actually yes I am. All I have heard so far is fabricated BS from most of the anti-war camp. Mostly nothing but unsubstantiated theories. > We wish Bush and his apostles did just that. > Now see what kind of smart ass thing is that to call then apostles? I was asking where were the alternatives that the anti-war crowd had? I have yet to see a single one that wasn’t negotiation. Well ladee da. That hasn’t worked for 12 years, what makes you think it would work now. Saddam had his time to negotiate. That time is now over because all good things must come to an end. > Why not? > See above. > > Mm’kay? \*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-angry-at-media-second-guessers/165946.md?page=3)