# Bush/Cheney 2000 **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 25, 2000, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708 "2000-07-25T00:14:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2000, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/61 "2000-07-26T23:34:15Z")
In 1988, when the House voted to ban plastic guns (which could slip through metal detectors), the vote was 413-4, Cheney being one of the 4. In 1985, when the House voted to ban armor-piercing bullets, the vote was 400-21, Cheney being one of the 21. On 26 separate occaisions, Cheney voted against granting any kind of abortion rights. He voted against federal funding for abortions even in cases of rape or incest and even if the mother’s life is endangered. IOW, he believes you’re gonna have that kid even if it kills you, even if you don’t know who the father is, even if the father is your _own_ father. His wife is said to be even more right-wing than he, based mostly upon her work on the National endowment for the Humanities. (My source is today’s L. A. _Times._ ---
**Author:** ![oldscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ed655f/32.png) [@oldscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldscratch)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2000, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/62 "2000-07-26T23:56:06Z")
I think one thing we can _all_ agree pon, is that we are thankfull he didn’t tap Tommy Thompson. I had to live in Wisconsin for four years with that moron. :shudder: I’m just glad he isn’t being given a national voice. ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2000, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/63 "2000-07-27T00:09:17Z")
If he had chosen Tommy Thompson, he would have been laughed out of the race. God that guy is creepy. ---
**Author:** ![RM\_Mentock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e274bd/32.png) [@RM\_Mentock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RM_Mentock)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2000, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/64 "2000-07-27T05:23:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sheerah \* > \*\*Basically my professor had a huge problem with Cheney serving as Secretary of Defense during the Gulf War because – and this is where I can’t find documentation-- Cheney had a cushy desk job in Washington during Viet Nam. He somehow procured several deferments from active duty for his fighting-aged son. However, he also felt the U.S. should have a military presence in the Gulf in the 1990’s. I found that quite hypocritical, but can find no documentation to substantiate. > Has anyone else ever heard of this? \*\* Cheney was born January 30, 1941, so he was 31 in 1972, and 24 in 1965. He was a bit old for most of the viet nam war draft, but he was certainly too young to have a son old enough to be of draft age. From [http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/rva/1011/101126.htm](http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/rva/1011/101126.htm) “During this time, Mr. Cheney served as an intern in the Wyoming State Legislature (1965), and in 1966 was selected by the National Center for Education in Politics for an internship in the office of Wisconsin Governor Warren Knowles (1966). In 1968, the American Political Science Association awarded Mr. Cheney its Joseph E. Davies Congressional Fellowship, which permitted him to serve as an assistant to the late Congressman William Steiger (1968). Beginning in May 1969, Congressman Cheney served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity under President Nixon. Subsequently, from December 1970 until September 1971, he served as Deputy to the White House Presidential Counsellor, Donald Rumsfeld. From September 1971 until March 1973, he served as the Assistant Director for Operations for the Cost of Living Council.” – rocks Dick 'n Bush the next four years ---
**Author:** ![BooBoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9de053/32.png) [@BooBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2000, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/65 "2000-07-27T09:01:26Z")
Greg Charles I have to agree that you’d have to be very young or brain dead to not realize who Cheney is. Personally, as a Democrat leaning Independent, I would be less fearful of a Cheney/Bush win in November. I think they got their ‘shit for brains’ candidate on the wrong end of the ticket. At least Pappa Bush was smarter than Quayle (who isn’t?). Anyway… Dick/Bush sounds even worse! * * * soulsling Here’s a Bush link for ya. [http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm](http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm) I haven’t read all of this book (it’s a free download in zip format…not too big), but what I have read of it is scary. Most folks didn’t even realize that GHWB’s father was a powerful Senator from Connecticut when he was running. This book goes back much farther than that to early in the last century and the Bush family power re: Grandpa Herbert Walker (the HW in GHWB) and father Prescott (the Senator) and how the power was derived and, most disgusting, how it was used. You have to wade through and dismiss (or not) some introductory paranoid conspiracy rhetoric, but there is more than enough historical fact contained in the text to scare the pants off of me. The book follows through to the Bush presidency and all the related scandals, but I haven’t read all that yet. I think I will now…just for perspective. * * * …heard a funny thing from a Republican on Politically Incorrect last night. The idiot’s major issue in supporting Bush was that we need to rebuild the economy…duh…HUH??? Maybe the Democrats should put up a sign in their headquarters that reads…’ It’s the economy? STUPID!!! ’ ---
**Author:** ![BooBoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9de053/32.png) [@BooBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2000, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/66 "2000-07-27T09:39:17Z")
…heard a funny thing from a Republican on Politically Incorrect last night. The idiot’s major issue in supporting Bush was that we need to rebuild the economy…duh…HUH??? Maybe the Democrats should put up a sign in their headquarters that reads…’ It’s the economy? STUPID!!! ’ * * * …and the Republicans should have a sign for their staffers that reads… ‘It’s NOT the economy, Stupid!’ ---
**Author:** ![Phobos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Phobos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phobos)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2000, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/67 "2000-07-27T13:13:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Smeghead \* > \*\*You don’t think Dick Cheney is a bad choice, namewise? > > New bumper sticker: “Bush and Dick. Together at last.” \*\* That was my first thought too. What a joke. ---
**Author:** ![RM\_Mentock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e274bd/32.png) [@RM\_Mentock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RM_Mentock)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2000, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/68 "2000-07-27T13:37:40Z")
Aw, c’mon. You guys are going to make fun of peoples’ _names_? ---
**Author:** ![Or\_n\_ry\_Oscar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9de0a6/32.png) [@Or\_n\_ry\_Oscar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Or_n_ry_Oscar)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2000, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/69 "2000-07-27T17:44:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Myrr21 \* > \*\*First = James K Polk, right? \*\* Polk was never VP. Prior to election he was Speaker of the House and Governor of Tennessee, though. He was one of our more truthful and effective presidents. He ran on a platform centered on Manifest Destiny and said he would not serve a second term. During his tenure he waged the war with Mexico that added California, New Mexico, Arizona and verious other parts of the southwest to the United States. He also resolved issues over the Oregon Territory with Great Britain that set the border with Canada at 49 degrees. Polk refused to run for a second term and died six months after he left office of Typhoid. Ahh! For those halcion days when ex-presidents had such exquisite sense of timing! ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2000, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/70 "2000-07-27T18:14:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Polk was never VP. Ummm…ok. But the question was for first 4-lettered president. No mention of VP in that whole sub-thread. By the way, welcome to the SDMB! ---
**Author:** ![faro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/49beb7/32.png) [@faro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/faro)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2000, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/71 "2000-07-27T21:18:31Z")
I am pleased with the choice for V.P. for one reason and one reason only. He supports the second amendment. BTW There is no such thing as plastic guns that can get through airport security. I have several of these so-called plastic guns (Glock) and approx. 80% of its weight is from steel. No way it could get through security. When passed through an X-ray machine it is obviously a gun. BBTW Most bullets are armor piercing these days and not just the non-existent teflon-coated armor piercing bullets. ---
**Author:** ![Iolanthe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7bcc69/32.png) [@Iolanthe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iolanthe)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2000, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/72 "2000-07-27T21:26:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Connor \* > \*\*I believe that Ford was adopted. > \*\* He was. > [@](#): > > \*\* > In a (quick) response to dear Iolanthe, I believe that Greg Charles was commenting on the perception he saw in that people had a very short memory - “During the war, remember? Is everyone here so young?” - so he set up this “trivia” question. Its sort of like when people ask who won the 1999 NBA title. No one ever seems to remember things that just recently happened. > \*\* Ah. I understand now, and in that case, I apologize for being snarky. Hm, I might get the NBA wrong, but I can do the Oscar winners, and I know who my Senators and Rep are. Several of my friends do not. ---
**Author:** ![Cumulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Cumulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumulus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2000, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/73 "2000-07-28T01:52:11Z")
I wish I had been a fly on the wall when Cheney (the man entrusted to pick the vice-presidential candidate) and Bush met. How exactly did Cheney give himself the job? Do you think Bush thought for one that Cheney was bad-mouthing the other potential candidates so he could get the job? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2000, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/74 "2000-07-28T13:59:59Z")
“snarky”? I need to use this word more often… And please don’t worry about it. Not a big deal. There’s certainly bigger fish to fry in this thread… ---
**Author:** ![AETBOND417](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@AETBOND417](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AETBOND417)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2000, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/75 "2000-07-29T03:28:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Greg Charles \* > \*\*What do you mean no one’s heard of him? He was Bush’s secretary of defense. The other Bush. During the war, remember? Is everyone here so young? > > Trivia: who was the last four-letter last-named president to be elected? \*\* Off-topic: At running camp the question was posed: Who were the four presidents with four letters in their last names? I turned to my friends and said: “Bush, Ford, Taft, Polk.” To my surprise, 4 of the 5 kids that heard me didn’t remember Polk. Good ol’ Florida school systems, hard at work. ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2000, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/76 "2000-07-29T05:39:31Z")
Well, it’s not Florida’s fault–so many old people move there, and they don’t have kids, so they don’t want to pay to support the public school system. ANd they have lots of voting clout. I know a number of people who were screwed over pretty good by Florida on that one. ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2000, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708/77 "2000-07-29T07:31:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jab1 \* > > On 26 separate occaisions, Cheney voted against granting any kind of abortion rights. He voted against federal funding for abortions even in cases of rape or incest and even if the mother’s life is endangered. IOW, he believes you’re gonna have that kid even if it kills you, even if you don’t know who the father is, even if the father is your _own_ father. > > (My source is today’s L. A. _Times._ \*\* As a future medical professional, this really really bothers me. He voted for an Congressional Resolution stating life begins at conception. Over half of all conceptuses are naturally aborted. That means (again taking a point to ridiculousness, but he should have thought of this before casting a vote) that over half of pregnancies end in murder. How can any thinking individual pass this legislation? To me, this is another political hardliner who would rather follow the party line than actually think about a bit of legislation. Also, I’d like to see what they have to say about moving the drinking age back to 20 years and 3 months (life begins at conception…) Then again, that’s not my problem, I’m 25 on Monday. Ridiculous. [off-topic]This “life of the mother” clause also really bothers me. If an embryo implants in the fallopian tube (where it has a 0% survival rate), would he rather see a healthy woman die from a ruptured tube than take out those 8-32 cells forming the ectopic pregnancy?[/off-topic] I honestly see little difference in Bush and Gore. I am pretty moderate on most things. I couldn’t care who wins in November, except for one thing. There are some judges on that Supreme Court who are gonna meet their maker any day now, and I don’t want this Bush/Cheney ticket deciding what type of court we have for the next 20 years, with this retarded stance on abortion. Sorry about the acerbity, but it really makes me itch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-2000/26708.md?page=3)