# Bush/Cheney supporters - Try to explain these 2005 lies..... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 23, 2005, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-supporters-try-to-explain-these-2005-lies/336952 "2005-12-23T08:30:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![esquimalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@esquimalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/esquimalt)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2005, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-supporters-try-to-explain-these-2005-lies/336952/21 "2005-12-25T03:47:17Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Perhaps #1 can be replaced by Bush pledging to fire those responsible for the Plame leak and not doing so. Who was responsible? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2005, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-supporters-try-to-explain-these-2005-lies/336952/22 "2005-12-25T04:42:13Z")
Rove and Libby. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2005, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-supporters-try-to-explain-these-2005-lies/336952/23 "2005-12-25T05:09:10Z")
Will the FISA is a PITA defense hold up to scrutiny? ---
**Author:** ![AFAIKnow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@AFAIKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AFAIKnow)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2005, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-supporters-try-to-explain-these-2005-lies/336952/24 "2005-12-25T05:31:58Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Rove and Libby. Not what Woodward said. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2005, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-supporters-try-to-explain-these-2005-lies/336952/25 "2005-12-25T06:48:13Z")
> [@](#): > > The e-mails surrendered by Time Inc., which are largely between Cooper and his editors, show that one of Cooper’s sources was White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, according to two lawyers who asked not to be identified because they are representing witnesses sympathetic to the White House. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek/) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2005, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-supporters-try-to-explain-these-2005-lies/336952/26 "2005-12-25T13:11:08Z")
> [@](#): > > So, because the revalations are not “new”, it doesn’t matter that he’s lying? Dude, I didn’t vote for him either time, yet there he is in office anyway. Apparently, to a significant number of people, it indeed doesn’t matter much whether he or members of his administration lie or not. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-supporters-try-to-explain-these-2005-lies/336952/27 "2005-12-28T19:43:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And just to show I’m a fair-minded guy, I’ll throw in a statement that _I_ believe to be a lie: > > Now, when I first read this quote, it seemed to me that the context was answering a question regarding the necessity of renewing the Patriot Act. In that context, this is not a lie. > > Now I have discovered that this statement was made NOT in response to a question, but essentially volunteered in a more general context, NOT in a Patriot Act discussion. That makes all the difference. > > So - a lie. **Bricker** , I have to say that when I first started reading this board I considered you to be just another Republican shill, but the more I have read of you the more I have found you to be a well reasoned individual capable of weighing both sides of the issue fairly. I think some people still hold to my previous assessment though, as evidenced by some of the replies to your posts. I read the political threads more than post to them, but have found yours to be an excellent representation of thoughtful conservatism. Oh, and for those who are annoyed with the “not criminal lies” statement of his, that was what this flaming liberal was going to post about until **Bricker** beat him to it. I guess we just need to have an investigation of the administration for any of their misdeeds. Then when the inevitable lies start flowing you can nail them for it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-cheney-supporters-try-to-explain-these-2005-lies/336952.md?page=1)