# Bush Didn't Expect Any Iraq Casualties **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 20, 2004, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-didnt-expect-any-iraq-casualties/270215 "2004-10-20T14:11:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-didnt-expect-any-iraq-casualties/270215/21 "2004-10-22T15:07:00Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Odd, I thought it was caused by Osama bin Laden. How foolish of us to have wrongly blamed Al Qaeda for 9/11 when really the WTC buildings were toppled by a giant hand that descended from the sky. According to the two jerks, Osama Bin Laden was the instrument that God used to strike down the two towers as a warning to the USA. God was pissed at the USA because we allowed the damned homosexuals to flourish. I remember actually listening to a re-play of the conversation and marvelling at the stupidity of those two clowns and that of their supporters / followers / stooges / dupes. ---
**Author:** ![aahala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@aahala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aahala)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-didnt-expect-any-iraq-casualties/270215/22 "2004-10-22T16:05:53Z")
Rev. Pat seems to be moving up in the world. First he had a direct line to God, now he’s talking directing with George II. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-didnt-expect-any-iraq-casualties/270215/23 "2004-10-22T16:07:13Z")
> [@ElectricZ](#): > > Sounds remarkably like the guys who blow themselves up along with as many non-believers as they can so they can get to paradise. Only with the little exception that as far as I know - and as you should know - nodoby in Iraq was involved in blwing up anyone or anything. > [@](#): > > Be nice if they could all just stand together in a circle and just blow each OTHER up, wouldn’t it? Absolutely. Their is an obstacle though since the sad truth is that the ones who scream that much about “Eeeeviiiiiiiiiilllll Muuusssliiimms Let Us Destroy Them All” do not even come close to be able to have the courage to get involved in blowing personally something up, let alone themselves. They applaud the delegating of the murdering of innocents to others and call them Heros from a safe and cosy distance. A cosy distance that is also not all that alien to Heros themselves when shooting missiles and throwing bombs on innocent people and call that “destroying the enemy”. (I find the words “destroying the enemy” together with “colateral damage” the best invention of arrogant denegrating US rethoric I ever heard of). Somehow all of this makes me think that the devil has more respect for the killers on our side of the killing spectrum. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-didnt-expect-any-iraq-casualties/270215/24 "2004-10-22T16:40:11Z")
> [@Garfield226](#): > > Because clearly, the one time Pat Robertson is to be A) listened to, and B) believed, is the one time when he’s criticizing President Bush. Someone who is willing to tell the truth when it’s against his own political interests gains respect. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-didnt-expect-any-iraq-casualties/270215/25 "2004-10-22T16:49:38Z")
> [@Steve MB](#): > > Someone who is willing to tell the truth when it’s against his own political interests gains respect. Duh. You don’t **know** it’s the truth, though, because you only have Robertson’s words about what went on in that meeting. My point was that this is (one of) the only time(s) he’s been judged on here to be “telling the truth.” And why? Because his statements help the left. It’s like saying “When you don’t say what I want to hear, you’re a raving nutcase, but when you tell me something I like, you’re telling the truth.” Doesn’t _generally_ work that way. Any other time he speaks with no backing documentation, he’s usually automatically assumed to be talking out of his ass. What makes this different? ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-didnt-expect-any-iraq-casualties/270215/26 "2004-10-22T18:51:21Z")
> [@Garfield226](#): > > Because clearly, the one time Pat Robertson is to be A) listened to, and B) believed, is the one time when he’s criticizing President Bush. It’s amusing that most of you will dismiss the man as a nutcase 99.9% of the time, but the one time he says something you agree with, you trot it out as, pardon the pun, gospel. Actually, it’s a commonly accepted principle that statements against one’s own interest are more believable than statements that support one’s interests. It even carries _legal_ weight, as an exception to the hearsay rule. The basic idea is that one wouldn’t say something that’s not in one’s best interests unless it were true. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-didnt-expect-any-iraq-casualties/270215/27 "2004-10-22T21:33:47Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > Actually, it’s a commonly accepted principle that statements against one’s own interest are more believable than statements that support one’s interests. It even carries _legal_ weight, as an exception to the hearsay rule. The basic idea is that one wouldn’t say something that’s not in one’s best interests unless it were true. Why don’t you feel this is in Pat Robertson’s best interests? Sure, it’s not in support of the President, which he normally is, but It makes him look like God really told him there would be lots of casualties, and he likes to keep up the impression that he’s in close contact with God. It’s a push, if anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-didnt-expect-any-iraq-casualties/270215.md?page=1)