# Bush family coincidences **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 9, 2004, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742 "2004-09-09T05:57:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2004, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/1 "2004-09-09T05:57:26Z")
I’d like to get a fairly thorough list of the coincidences and events that have occurred over the years in the Bush political dynasty. I’m not looking or asking for any “theories” on these events. Just a list of the many unusual or coincidental skeletons in the Bush closet. I’ll start: -GWB was in business with the BinLadens in the 70’s it went bust and the BinLadens lost millions of $$ -Salaam BinLaden (Osama’s oldest brother) died in a small plane crash on a visit to Texas in 1988 he had a scheduled visit with GHWB but never made it. -GHWB was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated but later denied being there. -GHWB was one of Nixon’s flunkies during the Dirty Tricks Campaign -Neil Bush was friends with John Hinkley -GHWB and Nixon were key figures in the Bay of Pigs fiasco. -GHWB met Jack Ruby through Richard Nixon. Ruby worked for Nixon as security at his private residence. That’s enough for now. I’ll add some more later. Now, mind you…this is merely a list of shit the Bush family has been party to. Either by coincidence or by just bad luck. No need to start ranting and raving about tinfoil hats and conspiracies. It’s just a list I’d like to compile. BTW this is IMHO so let’s not have a big damned argument like GD. It’s not even GQ so I’m not gonna ask for cites on everything. If I don’t believe something, I’ll check it out. It’s not the PIT so… ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2004, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/2 "2004-09-09T07:49:45Z")
GHWB and GW’s (Washington) names are both George. GW had wooden teeth. GHWB supported splinter groups in Nicaragua. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2004, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/3 "2004-09-09T09:48:38Z")
Mr and Mrs Bush (circa early 1900’s) bred. Bad, bad them. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2004, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/4 "2004-09-09T17:44:11Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > BTW this is IMHO so let’s not have a big damned argument like GD. So you want opinions on coincidences? 😕 [QOUTE]It’s not even GQ so I’m not gonna ask for cites on everything. If I don’t believe something, I’ll check it out. [/QUOTE] Does this mean we can’t ask for any? > [@](#): > > It’s not the PIT so… So we can’t accuse you of being an ? Why not just say what you think? Know what I think? I think we can’t find Bin Laden cause Bush has him holed up in the Lincoln bedroom cause they are such good pals and all. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2004, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/5 "2004-09-09T17:56:57Z")
-In 1952, George Herbert Walker Bush, Lee Harvey Oswald, Charlie Manson, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, John Gotti, and Ted Bundy were all simultaneously living in the same country. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/6 "2004-09-10T04:35:55Z")
No takers huh? The freepers got ya scared. Sounds kinda like BOC. Afraid to say the emperor’s running around showing his ass? Well ain’t that just lovely. Here’s acouple more. -Nazi connections -Enron investor -draft dodger -coke snorter -alcoholic -etc. etc. I’ll post a few more after some of the Bushies call me some names and try to deny these claims. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/7 "2004-09-10T05:30:20Z")
Moving this not-so-subtle pitting to The BBQ Pit. ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/8 "2004-09-10T05:43:45Z")
George HW Bush (aka Bush 41) and Barbara Bush had 4 sons, NONE of whom did any military service in Vietnam. Here’s a weird one Bush 41 and John Kerry were both members of the very exclusive Skull and Bones fraternity at Yale. ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/9 "2004-09-10T06:09:11Z")
:eek: Has anyone made Michael Moore aware of this? ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/10 "2004-09-10T06:16:27Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > No takers huh? > The freepers got ya scared. Sounds kinda like BOC. > Afraid to say the emperor’s running around showing his ass? > > Well ain’t that just lovely. > Here’s acouple more. > > -Nazi connections > -Enron investor > -draft dodger > -coke snorter > -alcoholic > -etc. etc. I’ll post a few more after some of the Bushies call me some names and try to deny these claims. #1 Unca Cecil took this one. #2 Along with tens of thousands other people #3 He didn’t run to Canada, but pretty much yeah. #3 #4, He has pretty much admited to it. This is no secret. Huzzah for your really cheap, and not a little sleazy, pit. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/11 "2004-09-10T06:19:26Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > I’d like to get a fairly thorough list of the coincidences… Would it stretch your conspiracy-addled little monkey brain too much to provide some cites? (Of the non-‘[holypoopiluvconspiracies.org](http://holypoopiluvconspiracies.org)’ variety, please.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/12 "2004-09-10T06:56:55Z")
> [@wolf\_meister](#): > > Here’s a weird one Bush 41 and John Kerry were both members of the very exclusive Skull and Bones fraternity at Yale. As was Bush 43 (aka, “W”). I’m surprised you missed that. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/13 "2004-09-10T07:17:44Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > -In 1952, George Herbert Walker Bush, Lee Harvey Oswald, Charlie Manson, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, John Gotti, and Ted Bundy were all simultaneously living in the same country. So you’re saying that W wasn’t living in the same country, huh? You’re claiming that he was beign raised by Bedouin in Saudi Arabia with the connivance of the Bildeberger Group and the Council on Foreign Realtions? Gotta do better than that, fellah! ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/14 "2004-09-10T07:49:07Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Would it stretch your conspiracy-addled little monkey brain too much to provide some cites? (Of the non-‘[holypoopiluvconspiracies.org](http://holypoopiluvconspiracies.org)’ variety, please.) Since I’m the one asking the question and I’m the one compiling the list…and since it started in IMHO and is NOW in the PIT. I don’t need any cites. But if you’ll be specific about which item in the list you have doubts about I might provide you with some evidence to the fact. I’m not looking for explanations about why the coincidence. Like the Nazi link…I know why and how. That’s not the point. The fact that GW has some problems with his military record is a fact. I’m not concerned with the explanation. This is a list of Bush family fuck ups. I’ll deal with the causes elsewhere. This thread could never contain all the bullshit that would eventually get posted here. Now that it is here I see the OP is done. I appreciate the nice words Brutus, always the diplomat. **Might as well lock it down Czarcasm** It’s funny how I can simply ask for a list. Not theories, not explanations, not anything but a list. The Bushites come outta the fuckin woodwork. Does anyone here dispute that the Bushes have had dealings with Nazi’s? “”" or GW had a drug/alcohol problem? “”"or Bush/Nixon had some political dealings at the time of WaterGate. “”"or GW was in business w/ the Bin Ladens in the 70’s or or or…these are known events. None of which suggest a “conspiracy”. Jeez people who’s wearing the damn tin foil around here. Fuck it **Czarc…** I’m not doin this with these assholes. Lock it up. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/15 "2004-09-10T07:58:07Z")
Even if it’s all true (which I’m not convinced that all of it is since you won’t provide any proof), so what? What’s your point? Are you just saying stuff to malign Bush? Are you trying to rally people to your cause, or are you just saying that Bush is a poopyhead? If you have a cause, what is it? People have done this better than you, and much more effectively. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/16 "2004-09-10T08:15:20Z")
Actually **Doors** I’m working on a paper that details much of the Bush family history. I was hoping to compile a list of the “coincidences” that people cite when these “theories” present themselves. There are a number of books on the Bush family which are blind to these events. There are a number of books that focus on these in a conspiracy minded approach. I would like to take each of these and thoroughly research the bad shit that I always see mentioned in this or that theory and have the facts handy. Rather than being patronized or insulted by people who don’t know shit about the facts. They simply don’t believe or don’t care about the truth of the matter. What exactly occurred when Salaam Bin Laden’s light aircraft lost it’s steering and crashed into a high electric tower in Texas in 1988. I know a lot of how and why. I’ve read the accident report and talked to a witness. Did GHWB have anything to do with it. I don’t know…That’s NOT the POINT. It happened, pure and simple. WHY? I know what the official explanation is. There are a lot of coincidences in the Bush family. I’ve got a long list and have researched a lot of them. I know what the official explanation is on most of them. There’s no way in hell to cover it here. I was hoping to get some input that I could add to the list. Like Laura’s highschool sweetheart. She accidently killed him. Okay…that’s bad luck, coincidence, right? Just something for the list. I didn’t say she killed him on purpose. Never even thought that. Damned sure didn’t imply it. That’s what. 🙂 Forget about it. It’s getting to where you can’t have a thread about anything anymore without the opposing side treating you like shit. I think I’ll take a sabbatical and work on my notes for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/17 "2004-09-10T08:54:26Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > Actually **Doors** I’m working on a paper that details much of the Bush family history. I was hoping to compile a list of the “coincidences” that people cite when these “theories” present themselves. There are a number of books on the Bush family which are blind to these events. There are a number of books that focus on these in a conspiracy minded approach. A “paper”, or a “website with marquee text, black background and pink flashing titles”? Seriously; innuendo is no good. You’re going to have to make something conclusive up, like _why_ GHWB (whose initials are the same as the date-rape drug GHB, but with a “W”, incidentally) might be consorting with the bin Ladens. You could try the funny hats angle; the bin Ladens wear turbans, the latter-day Bushes tend to wear cowboy hats. Coincidence? I think not. Maybe there’s a turban underneath the hats! There’s a connection between all of your Startling Facts, and I just know you’re the guy/gal to bring it on out. Go tiger! I _love_ the "political dealings with Nixon at the time of Watergate, by the way; “prominent political dynasty has connections with ex-president shocker!” ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/18 "2004-09-10T09:09:18Z")
**or a “website with marquee text, black background and pink flashing titles”?** Sorry I’m not familiar with this. No I’m not making a website. Same old red herring I see. Just something for my own library. Now, a few more insults if you please. OR do you dismiss the death of Salaam totally. Say it never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/19 "2004-09-10T10:03:17Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > Now, a few more insults if you please. After that Arnold bit, I thought that you were nutty. Now I know. I bet we’ll see you on the evening news, being carried away after trying to hop the White House fence, screaming ‘Long live the new flesh!’ while all your ‘notes’ are fluttering about. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742/20 "2004-09-10T10:25:52Z")
Thankyou **Brutus** you always come through when asked. Insults really are your thing aren’t they? That’s okay, I don’t expect you to be able to think for yourself. You see clothes where there are none. I may look for problems where none exist. But I don’t necessarily believe the theories posed to explain what is there. You on the other hand outright deny anything that goes against the norm. Bush says there’s smoke and by God you believe him. That’s okay too. You have the right to believe what you will. See no evil… You needn’t worry about me climbing atop the Whitehouse though. More folks read the net than the newspapers don’t they? You don’t have anything to say about the Bush-BinLaden partnership I see. You’ve yet to outright deny anything listed thus far. Maybe you’ll tell me that Laura didn’t kill her boyfriend. hmm? So if I go to a new thread can I expect you to come running as usual. How about something in MPSIMS on say…what’d be safe for you. Star trek maybe? How about some music trivia. Reckon I could do that without you showing up? I suppose I could just resort to name calling. That’d show just how smart I am. Do you even have the slightest idea of how Salaam died? Where did it happen…don’t search, OR do you simply dismiss it as BS? mm-hmmm :rolleyes: [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-coincidences/263742.md?page=2)