# Bush Family Values **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 30, 2003, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048 "2003-11-30T12:07:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/21 "2003-12-01T00:27:54Z")
Jeez, **Dio** , you’re really starting to worry me. Lately, you’ve been more and more “over the top”. These are stressful times, and sure to get worse the closer we get to The Day. Have a nice cup chamomile tea. Put your feet up. Read some Mark Twain. Watch a baby sleep. We need you, amigo. Your pal, E. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/22 "2003-12-01T00:30:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > **I object to your characterization of the Bush twins as drunken sluts. Drunk, OK, but sluts? Prove it.** There are numerous stories about “naked” parties and so forth. Really I was just being facetious with “slut” part. They are at least sexually active which contradicts Bush’s Christian views on absitnence before marriage. > [@](#): > > **I also object to your allegation that Bush is a war criminal.** Object all you want. This one I’m dead serious about. Even you admitted in the Thanksgiving thread that Bush lied about his justification for invading Iraq. That means the invasion was illegal and that means Bush is a war criminal. QED. > [@](#): > > \*\*I assume you can prove that Bush’s wife is a killer, so I won’t challenge that one. I vaguely remember something about a car accident, but I’m not sure. \*\* Just for the hell of it [here](http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e1698.htm) is the cite. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/23 "2003-12-01T00:33:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*Jeez, **Dio** , you’re really starting to worry me. Lately, you’ve been more and more “over the top”. These are stressful times, and sure to get worse the closer we get to The Day. > > Have a nice cup chamomile tea. Put your feet up. Read some Mark Twain. Watch a baby sleep. > > We need you, amigo. > > Your pal, > E. \*\* Ok, I’ll take back the “slut” part. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/24 "2003-12-01T00:42:08Z")
> [@](#): > > What would you have him do, call a press conference and publicly admonish his brother? Yes, actually, I think W calling a press conference to publicly condemn his brother’s actions would be a more appropriate appropriate response to the divorce than his taking time out of a state visit to England to condemn the MA Supreme Judicial Court ruling on same-sex marriage. If he is really so concerned about protecting marriage, then as bitter a pill it may be to swallow, he should vocally condemn actions which led to the end of an actual marriage at least as vociferously as he did a ruling which will not end a single mixed-sex marriage. > [@](#): > > Even you admitted in the Thanksgiving thread that Bush lied about his justification for invading Iraq. That means the invasion was illegal and that means Bush is a war criminal. Then there’s that desertion from the Texas Air National Guard thing… ---
**Author:** ![G-RAY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d9b06d/32.png) [@G-RAY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G-RAY)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/25 "2003-12-01T00:48:16Z")
MMMMMM drunken sluts ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/26 "2003-12-01T00:55:40Z")
Being involved in an automobile accident does not make one a killer. And what about the untimely demise of Vince Foster? I’m sure Hillary had a hand i that. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/27 "2003-12-01T00:59:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*Being involved in an automobile accident does not make one a killer. > > And what about the untimely demise of Vince Foster? I’m sure Hillary had a hand i that. :rolleyes: \*\* She ran a stop sign and killed a guy. That makes her a killer. Vince Foster was a suicide. Hillary had nothing to do with it. The situations are not even close to analogous. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/28 "2003-12-01T01:08:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > **She ran a stop sign and killed a guy. That makes her a killer.** Fuck you , it was an accident. Rather unlinke Sen. Kennedy’s drunk driving drowning of Ms. Kopechne. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/29 "2003-12-01T01:12:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*Fuck you , it was an accident. Rather unlinke Sen. Kennedy’s drunk driving drowning of Ms. Kopechne. \*\* Got a cite for this? Robin ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/30 "2003-12-01T01:13:46Z")
Fuck you. She ran a stop sign at a high rate of speed. it was negligent at best, negligent homicide at worst. _Tu quoques_ don’t excuse anything. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/31 "2003-12-01T01:17:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*Being involved in an automobile accident does not make one a killer. > \*\* actually, depending on the circumstances and jurisdictions, that’s not true in the legal sense. IOW - in some jurisdictions being ‘at fault’ in an accident can, indeed net you a criminal sentence. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/32 "2003-12-01T01:20:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > \*\*Got a cite for this? > > Robin \*\* A cite for what? It’s a matter of public record that the esteemed Senior Senator from Massachusetts took a drive with the young female campaign worker, and she wound up dead. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/33 "2003-12-01T01:27:14Z")
Apologies if I’m wrong, but I think what **milroyj** is saying (judging by his initial statements) is that he considers killing someone with a car while drunk murder. Ergo, Ted Kennedy is a murderer. An arguable, but not uncommon, opinion… ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/34 "2003-12-01T01:29:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*actually, depending on the circumstances and jurisdictions, that’s not true in the legal sense. > > IOW - in some jurisdictions being ‘at fault’ in an accident can, indeed net you a criminal sentence. \*\* I disagree, not in a legal sense, but in a practical one. “Killer” usually refers to malice aforethought, of which there is absolutely no evidence of. Unless you think that eating meat, or stepping on bugs, or well, abortion, is “killing”. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/35 "2003-12-01T01:31:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Leaper \* > \*\*Apologies if I’m wrong, but I think what **milroyj** is saying (judging by his initial statements) is that he considers killing someone with a car while drunk murder. Ergo, Ted Kennedy is a murderer. > > An arguable, but not uncommon, opinion… \*\* Precisely, but somehow he gets a pass for that. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/36 "2003-12-01T01:32:42Z")
I absolutely disagree w/your assesment. “Murder” includes an assumption about motive, “killer” does not. She killed the man, plan and simple. She may not have intended the action, but she is correctly described as a ‘killer’ ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/37 "2003-12-01T01:33:26Z")
Nope, “murderer” implies malice aforethought. “Killer” just means one who has killed. Mrs. Bush once killed a guy through her own negligent driving. maybe she meant to, maybe she didn’t. I don’t know. I just know she killed a guy. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/38 "2003-12-01T01:35:44Z")
Ok then, all the doctors who have performed abortions since 1973 are killers. Do you agree? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/39 "2003-12-01T01:37:54Z")
no, because I do not accept a fetus as a person. but thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/40 "2003-12-01T01:38:15Z")
Nope. Abortion doesn’t kill anybody. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048.md?page=3)