# Bush Family Values **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 30, 2003, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048 "2003-11-30T12:07:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/41 "2003-12-01T01:39:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*A cite for what? It’s a matter of public record that the esteemed Senior Senator from Massachusetts took a drive with the young female campaign worker, and she wound up dead. \*\* How about a cite that it wasn’t an accident. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/42 "2003-12-01T01:41:54Z")
or that he was (legally) drunk at the time of the accident? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/43 "2003-12-01T01:44:07Z")
this tag teaming thing can be fun, eh **Dio**? ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/44 "2003-12-01T01:45:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lord Ashtar \* > \*\*What would you have him do, call a press conference and publicly admonish his brother? \*\* Well, he could start a national campaign to encourage people to start taking their wedding vows seriously. He could call it… oh… how about “Marriage Protection Week”? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/45 "2003-12-01T01:54:54Z")
Didn’t his old man cheat on Babs? Wasn’t that hushed up pretty darn fast? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/46 "2003-12-01T01:59:25Z")
Bush Sr. supposedly had a mistress while he was POTUS but i can’t remember her name. Spy Magazine did a huge expose on the alleged infidelities of Bush Sr. they supposedly went back to when he was Veep. I honestly don’t know how much of it was true, but look at Babs. Wouldn’t you _have_ to go elsewhere? She looks like Bush Sr’s mother. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/47 "2003-12-01T02:00:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*How about a cite that it wasn’t an accident. \*\* Since when is drinking and driving an accident? Sen Kennedy kills Mary Jo while drunk, and he gets a pass from you people. But Mrs. Bush, the First Lady of the United States, is a killer, because of a traffic accident. Right. Got it. Tools. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/48 "2003-12-01T02:06:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*Since when is drinking and driving an accident? > > Sen Kennedy kills Mary Jo while drunk, and he gets a pass from you people. > > But Mrs. Bush, the First Lady of the United States, is a killer, because of a traffic accident. Right. Got it. Tools. \*\* Asking (yet again) for demonstration of proof that Senator Kennedy was (a) driving (b) drunk while driving at the time of the accident. and yes, Laura Bush, since she was the driver of a car that **killed** a man, is, in point of fact, some one who has killed. Note the absence of moral judgement on that statement. But it is true, nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/49 "2003-12-01T02:10:02Z")
and yes, Senator Kennedy, since he was the driver of a car that \*\*killed[b/] a young girl, is, in point of fact, some one who has killed. Note the absence of moral judgement on that statement. But it is true, nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/50 "2003-12-01T02:13:18Z")
Can you prove that he was driving? ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/51 "2003-12-01T02:14:15Z")
Can you prove that Mrs. Bush was? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/52 "2003-12-01T02:18:08Z")
[sure](http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/people/shows/bush/profile.html) now, how about all the proof you’ve avoided (like proving that Sen Kennedy was drunk at the time of the accident, was behind the wheel of the car etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/53 "2003-12-01T02:19:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Since when is drinking and driving an accident? Since when is blowing stop signs an accident? > [@](#): > > Can you prove that Mrs. Bush was? I already have. It’s in the police report as quoted in the linked article. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/54 "2003-12-01T02:24:55Z")
Kennedy admitted that he was driving (I’ll give you that one), so, in the **exact same sense** as Laura Bush, he is, indeed, a killer. Of course, according to **milroyj** , (who I’m sure was there at the time), Kennedy was driving drunk etc. and so, is more culpable than Laura Bush. Of course, we’ve never known **milroyj** to let facts get in the way of his beliefs. (as in his odd view of what the word ‘killer’ means) ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/55 "2003-12-01T02:27:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*Bush Sr. supposedly had a mistress while he was POTUS but i can’t remember her name. \*\* Yes, I recall the headlines “Poppy has a Popsie!” back around 1991 or so, followed by reports that “The Oval Office will be bringing back the guillotine unless these newspaper stories STOP RIGHT NOW.” Pretty darned effective. I wonder why the Clinton White House didn’t try the same tack. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/56 "2003-12-01T02:31:47Z")
**milroyj** , are you denying the fact that Mrs. Bush ran a stop sign when the accident occured? There certainly is speculation (with good reason) that Sen. Kennedy was intoxicated at the time of his accident. But until you provide evidence, it’s a spurious comparison. Isn’t there a difference between an accident (resulting in death) where no laws have been broken, and one where a law was clearly broken? (That being said, Sen. Kennedy _did_ plead guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, which certainly lends itself to question his sobriety and the truth surrounding the incident. However, the illegal action of leaving the scene occured after the events that killed the woman, and did not in and of itself add to the death of this woman. Though again, it does make one extremely suspicious…with good reason, considering his past driving habits.) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/57 "2003-12-01T02:38:18Z")
I think the Kennedy/Laura incidents are probably pretty similar in that they both probably (and I use the qualifier “probably” only in Kennedy’s case. There is no question of negligence in Laura’s case) involved some driver negligence and they both involved fatalities. Kennedy has been villified for 20+ years over his incident while Laura’s was neatly swept under the rug and is not brought up in polite conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/58 "2003-12-01T02:40:04Z")
Anyway, the Kennedy thing is a complete _tu quoque_. It has nothing to do with whether _Laura_ killed someone. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/59 "2003-12-01T02:46:46Z")
So we have Sen. Kennedy leaving the scene of an accident, according to **leander** , a crime. What crime has Mrs. Bush committed? Of course, we will all conveniently forget the murder of Martha Moxley by Sen. Kennedy’s nephew, and that rape thing in Palm Beach. Not to say that the Senator is responsible for the indiscretions of his family, (HA!), but to try and slam the President for his wife’s traffic accident is, well, dumb as a box of rocks. ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/60 "2003-12-01T02:58:10Z")
So there I am, many years ago, driving along a street in the Bronx, stopped at a red light, when this girl knocks on my window. I crank it down some and she says “5$ for a blowjob?” with a big grin on her face. To which I reply, “No thank you.” - Later, I checked my wallet and discovered I didn’t even have 5 bucks in it. At that point, I decided it was time to change jobs. I mean, one should at least make enough for a quick bit of relief on the way home from time to time, eh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048.md?page=4)