# Bush Family Values **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 30, 2003, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048 "2003-11-30T12:07:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/61 "2003-12-01T03:00:48Z")
**milroyj** , you have a better chance of convincing a pile of shit to stop stinking than you do in trying to get one of the resident lefties to admit the faults of one of their own. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/62 "2003-12-01T03:00:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*Ok, I’ll take back the “slut” part. \*\* Takes one to know one. 'Nuff sed. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/63 "2003-12-01T03:09:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\ ***milroyj** , you have a better chance of convincing a pile of shit to stop stinking than you do in trying to get one of the resident lefties to admit the faults of one of their own. \*\* I know. I thought that calling the First Lady a “killer” was over the top, even for them, but I guess I was wrong. Not suprised. ---
**Author:** ![magog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@magog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magog)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/64 "2003-12-01T03:14:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > So we have Sen. Kennedy leaving the scene of an accident, according to **leander** , a crime. > > What crime has Mrs. Bush committed? Running a stop sign? Hey, this **is** fun! ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/65 "2003-12-01T03:15:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by magog \* > \*\*Running a stop sign? > > Hey, this **is** fun! \*\* Running a stop sign is not a crime, fuckwit. ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/66 "2003-12-01T03:17:37Z")
> [@](#): > > _originally posted by **DtC** _: > > Kennedy has been villified for 20+ years over his incident while Laura’s was neatly swept under the rug and is not brought up in polite conversation. Proving that Republicans are far more adept than Democrats at covering these kinds of things up, I suppose? Actually, Laura was only 17 and not a public figure at the time of this accident, which is probably why it doesn’t come up much. The fact that she was, in fact, that young, does mitigate things a little. Youngsters are known to drive recklessly more often than us old fogies, after all. And I’d just say that Dubya needs to give his daughters a good spanking. If he’s not willing, I’m ready to volunteer my services. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/67 "2003-12-01T03:18:28Z")
Yes, it is. It’s at least a citation, and if someone dies it could become involuntary or vehicular manslaughter, depending on the circumstances. C’mon, man, you’re not going to be able to exonerate Mrs. Bush on this one. Still, accidents happen, and I find it very difficult to call anyone a “killer” for accidently running a stop sign. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/68 "2003-12-01T03:23:35Z")
A traffic violation does not automatically equal a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/69 "2003-12-01T03:30:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*A traffic violation does not automatically equal a crime. \*\* Of course it doesn’t, you fucking idiot. That’s why **Airman** set out some of the circumstances in which it _could_ be a crime. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/70 "2003-12-01T03:30:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*I know. I thought that calling the First Lady a “killer” was over the top, even for them, but I guess I was wrong. Not suprised. \*\* **milroyj** , I’m not sure you want to have **Brutus** on your side here. He has proven time and time again that he is one of the stupidest, most vile, most partisan posters ever to tread these boards. If I were a Republican I’d be embarrassed to have him on my side. ---
**Author:** ![magog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@magog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magog)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/71 "2003-12-01T03:32:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > Running a stop sign is not a crime, fuckwit. So, are you saying that running a stop sign is not against the law? Or that the definition of “crime” has nothing to do with the law? On preview, I’m in the rare case of actually agreeing with **Airman** – accidents happen, but yeah, she did kill someone. She has to live with that. And, well, when doesn’t breaking the law not equal a crime? And you complain about Clinton’s semantic dances. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/72 "2003-12-01T03:35:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*Of course it doesn’t, you fucking idiot. That’s why **Airman** set out some of the circumstances in which it _could_ be a crime. \*\* Of course, none of the circumstances apply to Mrs. Bush’s case, which is why it wasn’t a crime. Fucking idiot, yourself. ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/73 "2003-12-01T03:38:53Z")
**Leander** : I disagree with you about **Brutus**. He is direct and honest in his opinions and in the way he debates. The few times I’ve debated him, I’ve come away respecting his opinions. Not agreeing with them, just respecting them. That he considers me a moron merely shows that his judgement of character and intelligence is somewhat wanting. _C’est al vie._ ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/74 "2003-12-01T03:40:26Z")
**milroyj** , OTOH, appears to always be stuck in an infinite loop. Rather an odd affliction. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/75 "2003-12-01T03:40:52Z")
I didn’t actually say it was a crime (although running a stop sign is not exactly legal), I just said she killed a guy. She was 17 and driving recklessly as teenagers do. I _do_ think that if Hillary had something like that in her past that should would have been raked over the coals for it. I fail to see a real semantic difference between killing somebody and being a killer. I didn’t say she was a murderer. She was not just a victim of circumstances either, though. She was negligent and she caused the death of another person. BTW, I don’t let Ted Kennedy off the hook for anything he did. If he was drunk and his drunkeness caused the death of that young woman then he should have suffered the consequences. I just don’t see how it mitigates anything Laura did. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/76 "2003-12-01T03:41:18Z")
The funny thing is that if it were Hillary who had killed someone in a traffic accident, you Pubbies woule be calling her an unrepentant killer who had licked the blood from her fender. After the vile behavior of your party during the Clinton adminstration, you Pubbies need to shut up and enjoy being on the receiving end. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/77 "2003-12-01T03:47:23Z")
I give up, you’re right, Laura Bush is evil incarnate. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/78 "2003-12-01T03:53:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*Of course, none of the circumstances apply to Mrs. Bush’s case, which is why it wasn’t a crime. Fucking idiot, yourself. \*\* What circumstances didn’t apply. **Airman** said that a moving violation resulting in a _death_ could lead to criminal charges. We did have a death in Laura’s case, did we not? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/79 "2003-12-01T03:58:33Z")
This is what kills me. During the Clinton Administration, the Pubbies lied, snarled, vilified, howled, slandered, gibbered, screamed and drooled in outrage for eight years nonstop. In order to be anywhere CLOSE to the hysteria of the Pubbies, the liberals here and elsewhere would have to increase the ferocity of their attacks on Bush by several orders of magnitude, and pretty much ignore whether there’s anything to our allegations. So it is with a sense or irony that I read posts in which the Dems here are being accused of howling and snarling. We are not howling and snarling by the standards of your average Pubbie during the Clinton years. This thread at its fieriest is mumbling and engaging in mild-mannered debate by THOSE august standards. So, complain all ya want, Pubbies. Some of us remember the Clinton years very clearly, and your words do NOT impress. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048/80 "2003-12-01T03:58:44Z")
Yes, we had an accidentaly death. Why the hard-on for Mrs. Bush, btw? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-family-values/216048.md?page=5)