# Bush Is A Moran, Vol. XXI, Chapter 310 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228 "2009-09-15T20:51:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/1 "2009-09-15T20:51:45Z")
I call the gentle readers attention to this over at _Washington Monthly_, so mildly lefty that no shield protocols are required… [http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009\_09/019955.php](http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_09/019955.php) Punchline spoiler alert: the following is the money quote, to savor the full import you must read the preceding set up! OK, here it comes, I told you!.. > [@](#): > > …Bush asked his staff, “Why did I sign on to this proposal if I don’t understand what it does?”… I find, to my astonishment, that my vast reservoirs of snark are not adequate to the inspiration. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/2 "2009-09-15T21:36:08Z")
So why didn’t you quote this part? > [@](#): > > It wasn’t that the president didn’t understand what his administration wanted to do. It was that the treasury secretary didn’t seem to know, changed his mind, had misled the president, or some combination of the three. The article keeps calling it “his own plan” when it very clearly wasn’t what Bush wanted. And I should add that if you want to try to make other people look stupid, I suggest you proofread your thread titles more carefully. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/3 "2009-09-15T21:37:32Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > So why didn’t you quote this part? > > The article keeps calling it “his own plan” when it very clearly wasn’t what Bush wanted. And I should add that if you want to try to make other people look stupid, I suggest you proofread your thread titles more carefully. “The buck stops here.” ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/4 "2009-09-15T21:39:37Z")
He’s a kibbutz in northern Israel? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/5 "2009-09-15T21:45:43Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > So why didn’t you quote this part? > > The article keeps calling it “his own plan” when it very clearly wasn’t what Bush wanted. And I should add that if you want to try to make other people look stupid, I suggest you proofread your thread titles more carefully. Friend **luci** , luxuriating as he was in this newfound proof of Bush’s alleged stupidity, was merely riffing on this [unfortunate display](http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/2009/03/01-07/moran.jpg) – one which serves only to illustrate the fact that some conservatives can be as stupid as some liberals. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/6 "2009-09-15T22:13:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I call the gentle readers attention to this over at _Washington Monthly_, so mildly lefty that **no shield protocols are required…** Geezus Christ, I want to strangle someone every time I see that reference. Does anything think it is amusing? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/7 "2009-09-15T22:18:32Z")
Oh thank God, a new Bush pit thread. It’s been too long. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/8 "2009-09-15T22:35:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Friend **luci** , luxuriating as he was in this newfound proof of Bush’s alleged stupidity, was merely riffing on this [unfortunate display](http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/2009/03/01-07/moran.jpg) – one which serves only to illustrate the fact that some conservatives can be as stupid as some liberals. 😃 Ah. Does that mean that every time I type “teh” or “mispelling”, I can just say it’s a spoof? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Peanut\_Gallery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/838e76/32.png) [@Peanut\_Gallery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanut_Gallery)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/9 "2009-09-15T23:09:58Z")
What a fun article that was. Instead of being another episode about him killing people, he was just wasting money this time. My favorite part was Bush on Palin: > [@](#): > > “I’m trying to remember if I’ve met her before. I’m sure I must have.” His eyes twinkled, then he asked, “What is she, the governor of Guam?” > > Everyone in the room seemed to look at him in horror, their mouths agape. When Ed told him that conservatives were greeting the choice enthusiastically, he replied, “Look, I’m a team player, I’m on board.” He thought about it for a minute. “She’s interesting,” he said again. “You know, just wait a few days until the bloom is off the rose.” Then he made a very smart assessment. > > “This woman is being put into a position she is not even remotely prepared for,” he said. “She hasn’t spent one day on the national level. Neither has her family. Let’s wait and see how she looks five days out.” For once I can laugh WITH him. What a relief. Bush on the McCain Campaign: > [@](#): > > What is this—a cruel hoax? And while the OP’s quote does reflect more on Paulson than Bush, it still paints a pretty desperate picture of the state of our “leadership” back then. Paulson is a scary dude, to make me feel sympathetic toward Bush. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/10 "2009-09-15T23:13:15Z")
A “moran”? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/11 "2009-09-15T23:19:34Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > A “moran”? Famous internet picture: > **[Urban Dictionary: moran](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moran)** > > moran: Anyone with an opposing view. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/12 "2009-09-16T02:08:57Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Geezus Christ, I want to strangle someone every time I see that reference. > > Does anything think it is amusing? Here’s what I do, and you can do it too if you think you ought. If I am directing the reader to a site that I know is slanted, I signal my awareness. Its a sign of respect, actually. What bugs you isn’t what bugs me. For me, its when somebody offers a cite from an utterly partisan source as though it was just coming over the wire from Nonpartisan Neutral News. I think that stinks, its like pulling a fast one, or worse, pulling a slow one but expecting that the reader is so stupid he won’t catch on. And I’m playing fair, playing on the square. I rag on people who present totally rightarded sources as authoritative, and I won’t send you to a _Daily Kos_ site without saying “I know my cite is a partisan source, I accept your discretion to weigh that accordingly”. So its a ragged sort of politieness, respect for another’s intelligence. I suppose I could make up some stiff, stuffy and formal phrase, but where’s the fun in that? Better a bad joke than a dry as dust formality. Or you could just stop reading my posts? I’ll get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/13 "2009-09-16T03:02:54Z")
You miss him a little bit, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/14 "2009-09-16T03:14:48Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > Oh thank God, a new Bush pit thread. It’s been too long. After what he and his cronies did to this country, there should be one every day. Minimum. Until (please!!!) the trials begin. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/15 "2009-09-16T03:18:42Z")
> [@Enfant Terrible](#): > > Until (please!!!) the trials begin. Hell with the trials, I want my trillion bucks back! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/16 "2009-09-16T03:20:56Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > You miss him a little bit, don’t you? That would be like missing the symptoms after the penicillin takes hold. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/17 "2009-09-16T03:23:20Z")
George W. Bush should be the last person in the whole fucking world to call someone else “clueless”. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/18 "2009-09-16T03:26:41Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > He’s a kibbutz in northern Israel? Further support for my theory that [Ireland](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moran_(surname)) was settled by one of the Lost Tribes of Israel. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/19 "2009-09-16T03:33:47Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Hell with the trials, I want my trillion bucks back! All right, as a typical moonbat leftie I propose we compromise… we work on getting the trillion bucks back over the next hundred years. In the meantime, in a typical display of American bloodlust, we beat Cheney with canes until he needs a wheelchair for real, for real. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Love](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Dr.Love](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Love)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228/20 "2009-09-16T05:43:12Z")
I don’t get it. Isn’t this why presidents have advisors, so that they don’t need to have spent decades studying each of the dozens of topics that laws might cover? The dude misunderstood some economic theory, at least in part due to the fact that it was explained to him incorrectly. Do you expect that Obama’s understanding of economics is more nuanced than, say, Christina Romer’s? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-a-moran-vol-xxi-chapter-310/510228.md?page=2)