# Bush is an ignorant boob **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 23, 2003, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063 "2003-05-23T16:50:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mambo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@Mambo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mambo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/1 "2003-05-23T16:50:27Z")
On the Abraham Lincoln, complete with a shiny new flight suit, a smirk, and an incongruous bulge, George W. Bush said: > [@](#): > > The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on. > That terrible morning, 19 evil men, the shock troops of a hateful ideology, gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the beginning of the end of America. > By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation’s resolve and force our retreat from the world. > > They have failed. > > * * * > > We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th, the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters \*\*declared war on the United States, and war is what they got. \*\* Most Dopers, as far as I can tell, do not believe that any of the hijackers were Iraqi, that Saddam Hussein was involved in the planning of the attacks, or that the Saddamites and al Qaida have ever been linked in a meaningful way. Would most Dopers then agree that the above quotes from Dear Leader prove that GWB is either 1) purposefully manipulating (lying to) the American Public, or 2) an ignorant boob. ---
**Author:** ![Mambo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@Mambo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mambo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/2 "2003-05-23T16:52:41Z")
[speech](http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2627-2003May1¬Found=true) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/3 "2003-05-23T16:57:43Z")
I guess it couldn’t POSSIBLY be that, C) He’s a politician… _sigh_ BTW, why were you looking at his ‘incongruous bulge’?? Just curious… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Mambo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@Mambo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mambo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/4 "2003-05-23T17:00:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by xtisme \* > \*\* > BTW, why were you looking at his ‘incongruous bulge’?? Just curious… > > -XT \*\* Hard to miss. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/5 "2003-05-23T17:00:40Z")
You know, dudes- I didn’t vote for Bush. I likely won’t do so next election, barring the nomination of a complete Dem nincompoop- and then I will likely vote 3rd party. I think Bush’s “Cut taxes, increase spending & borrow like hell” policy is fiscal irresponsibility of the first order. But you know what? I am also sick and tired of all this Bush-Bashing also. It’s rhetoric, that’s all. Get a life, OK? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mambo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@Mambo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mambo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/6 "2003-05-23T17:04:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrDeth \* > \*\*You know, dudes- I didn’t vote for Bush. I likely won’t do so next election, barring the nomination of a complete Dem nincompoop- and then I will likely vote 3rd party. I think Bush’s “Cut taxes, increase spending & borrow like hell” policy is fiscal irresponsibility of the first order. > > But you know what? I am also sick and tired of all this Bush-Bashing also. It’s rhetoric, that’s all. Get a life, OK? :rolleyes: \*\* It’s not just rhetoric, though. I don’t think the Iraqis would consider what we did as just rhetoric. The point is that Bush has fundamentally changed US policy on a very flimsy premise. “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.” ---
**Author:** ![minega](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@minega](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minega)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/7 "2003-05-23T17:12:08Z")
Welcome to the world of politics is all i can say…However while Bush himself might be an ignorant boob,he is surrounded by very snarrt people which keeps him in check. And For a country that went through a senseless war like Vietnam,in suprised the concept of a controversial war with no clear agenda suprises you.Life sucks… ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/8 "2003-05-23T17:23:46Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Mambo** : > Bush is an ignorant boob For future reference this forum is for debates. I don’t see a debate here. 😉 Honestly it’s all rhetorical BS which, to be fair, nearly every politician engages in regardless of ideology. If you can’t dazzle them with the facts them baffle them with bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/9 "2003-05-23T17:29:42Z")
From Mambo: “Hard to miss.” ROFLMAO!! Well, I saw the speech and I missed that part. I guess I was looking at his face. Best laugh I’ve had in days…thanks. Have to agree with DrDeth…I don’t particulary like Bush, didn’t vote for him, and won’t vote for him next election. But come on guys, get a grip…his fricking “incongruous bulge”??? Get a grip man. Bush is a POLITICIAN…and they are almost universally slimy dogs, reguardless on which side of the fence they sit (or which country they are from) who pretty much all do and say the same things. Wake up and smell the bullshit… -XT ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/10 "2003-05-23T17:48:14Z")
Bush _can’t_ be a boob; I like boobs.😃 ---
**Author:** ![X\_Slayer\_ALE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bbe5ce/32.png) [@X\_Slayer\_ALE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/X_Slayer_ALE)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/11 "2003-05-23T17:58:54Z")
**Bush is an ignorant boob** Oh Yeah??! well, he’s OUR ignoramt boob and he’s the best ignorant boob the world of politics has to offer. If it werent for this ignorant boob, the Iraqis will still be under the rule of a really smart and ruthless despot. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/12 "2003-05-23T18:01:01Z")
GWB is 1. purposefully manipulating (lying to) the American Public 2. an ignorant boob and 3. adored by the majority of our country. He’s a criminal, a puppet and a man who will have us remembered as one of the most savage “modern” nations. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/13 "2003-05-23T18:02:15Z")
bush just can’t tell the difference between Iraq and Iran. It was in Iran where over 150 Al Qaeda were since over a year ago and the US knew it: > [@](#): > > [http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/22/alqaeda.iran/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/22/alqaeda.iran/index.html) > Iran admits holding al Qaeda operatives > In February of 2002, one month after President Bush named Iran as a member of the “axis of evil” supporting terrorism, Tehran announced it had arrested 150 Arab, African and European nationals suspected of being members of the Taliban or al Qaeda. > \ > “We know al Qaeda individuals are inside Iran,” this official said. “But what is the definition of custody? If they are in Iran, free to plan and direct attacks, such as the Saudi bombings, and are able to receive visitors and updates and other information, that is not custody. That is safe haven.” \>\> It’s rhetoric, that’s all. Get a life, OK? Invading a country and justifying it with lies is just “rhetoric”? That is quite cynical. I hope I never see it that way. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/14 "2003-05-23T18:02:52Z")
\>\>\>the Iraqis will still be under the rule of a really smart and ruthless despot\<\<\< Yeahhhhh. Now they’re under the rule of a really DUMB and ruthless despot. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/15 "2003-05-23T18:03:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minega \* > However while Bush himself might be an ignorant boob,he is surrounded by very snarrt people which keeps him in check. What has he been kept in check from doing? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/16 "2003-05-23T18:09:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by X~Slayer(ALE) \* > \*\ ***Bush is an ignorant boob** > Oh Yeah??! well, he’s OUR ignoramt boob and he’s the best ignorant boob the world of politics has to offer. If it werent for this ignorant boob, the Iraqis will still be under the rule of a really smart and ruthless despot. \*\* The North Koreans are still under the rule of a ruthless despot. What do you propose Bush should do to relieve their misery? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/17 "2003-05-23T18:11:41Z")
You perhaps noticed that there were six freaking paragraphs between the first part of your quote and the last. Those six paragraphs mentioned the Taliban, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Horn of Africa, and then made specific reference to the liberation of Iraq. I might agree that there are the words of an ignorant boob in this thread, but I wouldn’t think it was Bush. What’s with you lefties quoting Bush out of context and then blaming him for saying things he didn’t? Do you seriously think it makes Bush look bad or you look good because you doctored his quotes? Bush was talking about the war on terror. This includes all terrorists who threaten the US or other nations, as was clear from the complete speech. Think of it as the police cracking down on gang violence, if you need a simple analogy. The police can act against more than one group at a time as part of a unified campaign, even if the Bloods and the Crips aren’t the same organization. You guys need to come up with a better form of character assassination than this. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/18 "2003-05-23T18:15:42Z")
Mr. B States: “He’s a criminal, a puppet and a man who will have us remembered as one of the most savage “modern” nations.” Really? You REALLY think this? In light of Germany, China, the Soviet Union…gods, countless other “modern nations”. In light of the French post WWII and their ‘colonies’ in indochina and Africa? Englands shinning example in India? In the Middle East? We are the most ‘savage modern nation’ because of Dubya and what we did in Iraq and Afganistan?? You need to up the voltage Mr. B or lay off the meds bro…the retoric is getting to you. If Europe (I assume thats what you mean by the ‘who’ that will ‘remember us’ in your statement) thinks of us as ‘the most savage modern nation’ its only because they have a very short memory. I’m not going to sit here and say America is perfect, has a perfect record, or is always, or even half the time, in the right, that our motives our pure, etc etc ad nausium. We aren’t, and only a fool would say it…but only a fool would claim America is ‘the most savage modern nation’ in light of simply looking at history. Get a grip man… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Spite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spite)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/19 "2003-05-23T18:15:45Z")
Doesn’t this vitriol belong in the pit? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2003, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063/20 "2003-05-23T18:26:14Z")
Yeah. Not exactly a stirring debate here. Neveretheless, I submit that if anyone is an ignorant boob, it would not be the President, but any person or persons who actually believed his claims that the war in Iraq was a direct response to September 11, 2001. And that is a very large number of boobs indeed. I further submit that for a president with a long record of enthusiastic support for execution of criminals, and who had just won a war, that bulge was not at all incongruous. Oh, unfair, am I? Guilty as charged. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-an-ignorant-boob/177063.md?page=2)