# Bush is handing Obama an huge bushel of poo. What can conservatives blame Obama for? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 26, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509 "2008-11-26T01:12:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/21 "2008-11-26T17:54:57Z")
> [@Cyberhwk](#): > > I’ve already heard many already claim Obama is at fault for part of the recent drop for not choosing a Treasury Secretary quick enough. What are they saying now that we’ve had the biggest two day gain since 1987? [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/24/stocks-post-biggest-two-d\_n\_146134.html](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/24/stocks-post-biggest-two-d_n_146134.html) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/22 "2008-11-26T18:14:41Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > There’s a much shorter word you could use. Begins with an L and ends in an E. The word ‘barefaced’ could also be slipped in there somewhere. **tagos** , you’ve been around long enough to know that accusations of lying are prohibited. Knock it off. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/23 "2008-11-26T20:33:42Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > What are they saying now that we’ve had the biggest two day gain since 1987? Clearly, the market is anticipating a Republican in 2012. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/24 "2008-11-26T22:08:39Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I mean seriously. So much terrible crap to deal with is being front loaded onto his new administration what are conservatives going to point to as the specific blamable fault of the Obama administration? They can blame Mr Obama for saying he understood the problems and had a plan to fix them. If he does not achieve more universal healthcare; if he does achieve what he presented as a more equitable tax burden; if he does not stick to a timetable withdrawing from Iraq; even if he does not “fix” the economy; if he does not implement carbon credits–he will be blamed. He did not run on a platform saying, “These problems are really bad. I don’t think I can fix them.” He ran saying, “These are the problems. Here are the fixes. Elect me to implement them.” The good news is, that should things turn out well, he’ll get the credit. If they turn out poorly, he will be blamed, fairly or not. We do not have a particularly patient electorate, nor one that sorts out how much failure/success is due to congress and/or external circumstance. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/25 "2008-11-27T01:05:29Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > I believe I’ve seen it written, apparently seriously, that Obama is the first moderate republican to be elected president in a very long time. But don’t let that fool you, he’s **still** a Marxist! And a Muslim! And a poopyhead! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/26 "2008-11-27T01:39:18Z")
Jumping Jebus on a pogo-stick. The New Messiah hasn’t even taken office yet, as has been pointed out about 100 jillion times already. Let the guy get in office and actually do something before you start spinning bullshit conspiracy theories about how those eeeeee-bul conservatives are sabotaging His Holy Reign. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/27 "2008-11-27T03:04:20Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Jumping Jebus on a pogo-stick. The New Messiah hasn’t even taken office yet, as has been pointed out about 100 jillion times already. Let the guy get in office and actually do something before you start spinning bullshit conspiracy theories about how those eeeeee-bul conservatives are sabotaging His Holy Reign. No one except the Right talks about Obama as a Messiah or his Holy Reign, and then only to pretend that the Left does. As opposed to the Right, which DOES think that way about people like Bush and Reagan; that they are God’s Chosen, and their regimes holy. And people expect the conservatives to act like evil selfish bastards who will sacrifice the country for greed, malice and politics, because that’s exactly what they are. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/28 "2008-11-27T03:12:51Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No one except the Right talks about Obama as a Messiah or his Holy Reign, and then only to pretend that the Left does. As opposed to the Right, which DOES think that way about people like Bush and Reagan; that they are God’s Chosen, and their regimes holy. > > And people expect the conservatives to act like evil selfish bastards who will sacrifice the country for greed, malice and politics, because that’s exactly what they are. Actually, I do it with tongue firmly in cheek. The left wingers act like Obama is Santa Kennedy King Christ Wonka, with a side of bacon. He ain’t. He’s a politician. And you really need to lose that broad brush all conservatives are teh ebul thing. You’re smarter than that. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/29 "2008-11-27T03:31:04Z")
Obama is a relatively new politician. He is not owned yet. He actually can do some things without pissing off his wealthy bosses. I have some slim hopes. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/30 "2008-11-27T03:54:13Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Actually, I do it with tongue firmly in cheek. The left wingers act like Obama is Santa Kennedy King Christ Wonka, with a side of bacon. He ain’t. He’s a politician. I’m a regular at Daily Kos. Have been since before the 2006 elections. Nobody there, that I’ve seen, is acting anything like that. He has, however, earned our measured trust, for the time being. We’re going to hold his feet to the fire to the extent that we can, to the extent that we fell we have to, and some are already trying to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/31 "2008-11-27T04:06:11Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Actually, I do it with tongue firmly in cheek. The left wingers act like Obama is Santa Kennedy King Christ Wonka, with a side of bacon. No, they aren’t. That’s how the Right acts towards people like Bush and Reagan. You are just projecting your own side’s behavior and attitudes onto the Left. > [@Oakminster](#): > > And you really need to lose that broad brush all conservatives are teh ebul thing. You’re smarter than that. Conservativism is essentially always in the wrong as far as I can tell; morally and factually. Especially in a country as far to the right as America, where you have to go well into “scum and lunatic” territory to qualify as conservative. In every dispute or argument I can think of, they’re the bad guys; women’s rights, AIDS, sex education; health care; civil rights in general; torture; stem cells; evolution; war; and on and on. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/32 "2008-11-27T04:22:22Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, they aren’t. That’s how the Right acts towards people like Bush and Reagan. You are just projecting your own side’s behavior and attitudes onto the Left. Yes, they are. Look at the threads right here on this very board. Obama is the Frakkin Messiah that will cure all the world’s problems. Hell, the more naive lefties seem surprised he hasn’t managed to do it before he’s even sworn in. > [@](#): > > Conservativism is essentially always in the wrong as far as I can tell; morally and factually. Especially in a country as far to the right as America, where you have to go well into “scum and lunatic” territory to qualify as conservative. In every dispute or argument I can think of, they’re the bad guys; women’s rights, AIDS, sex education; health care; civil rights in general; torture; stem cells; evolution; war; and on and on. Your bias is showing. I lean right of center. By this board’s standards, I’m a conservative. A pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-limiting the power of the state, pro-tax cut, pro gun, pro science, anti-torture, atheist conservative. I’m neither scum nor a lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/33 "2008-11-27T04:28:22Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Yes, they are. Look at the threads right here on this very board. Obama is the Frakkin Messiah that will cure all the world’s problems. Hell, the more naive lefties seem surprised he hasn’t managed to do it before he’s even sworn in. Oh, please. Most seem doubtful that he’ll manage anything but to repair some of the damage Bush has done. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Your bias is showing. I lean right of center. By this board’s standards, I’m a conservative. A pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-limiting the power of the state, pro-tax cut, pro gun, pro science, anti-torture, atheist conservative. I’m neither scum nor a lunatic. “The board” isn’t “America”. And half of those aren’t conservative positions, and the others are foolish or worse. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/34 "2008-11-27T04:32:40Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “The board” isn’t “America”. And half of those aren’t conservative positions, and the others are foolish or worse. And you are not the font of wisdom from which all blessing flow. Disagreeing with you does not make one wrong, evil, or socially unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/35 "2008-11-27T04:56:13Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “The board” isn’t “America”. And half of those aren’t conservative positions, and the others are foolish or worse. Yeah, you’re right. They aren’t the jingoistic, stereotyped positions of the big bad evil puppy-kicking conservatives which primarily exist in your rather simplistic view of things. I’m a pro-abortion (I don’t like euphemisms), pro-tax cut, pro-science, pro-evolution, pro-waterboarding, pro-women, pro-military, anti-political correctness conservative. I guess that makes me only partial scum? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/36 "2008-11-27T05:05:54Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > Yeah, you’re right. They aren’t the jingoistic, stereotyped positions of the big bad evil puppy-kicking conservatives which primarily exist in your rather simplistic view of things. > > I’m a pro-abortion (I don’t like euphemisms), pro-tax cut, pro-science, pro-evolution, pro-waterboarding, pro-women, pro-military, anti-political correctness conservative. I guess that makes me only partial scum? No; your support of waterboarding overshadows everything else you are. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/37 "2008-11-27T12:48:22Z")
For the next 4 years at least, Obama’s principal job is going to be to inspire people. We’re in the deep doodoo, and inspirational leadership will go a long way to getting us out of it. Obama would do well to look to JFK, Reagan, and Thatcher for their techniques (not policies!) and learn from them. Once America starts feeling good about its future, prosperity will return. That’s one hell of a tough job and I wish him every success. ---
**Author:** ![gladtobeblazed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@gladtobeblazed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gladtobeblazed)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/38 "2008-11-27T12:52:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No; your support of waterboarding overshadows everything else you are. That couldn’t possibly be true. The good caused by science far outweighs any evil caused by torture. If anything, being pro-science overshadows everything else. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/39 "2008-11-27T13:04:16Z")
> [@gladtobeblazed](#): > > That couldn’t possibly be true. The good caused by science far outweighs any evil caused by torture. If anything, being pro-science overshadows everything else. Science is morally neutral, neither good nor bad. I expect someone who supports waterboarding to support the “bad”; it’s not that far from supporting both waterboarding and science to supporting using people against their will in medical experiments, Dr Mengele style. ---
**Author:** ![gladtobeblazed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@gladtobeblazed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gladtobeblazed)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509/40 "2008-11-27T13:25:40Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Science is morally neutral, neither good nor bad. I expect someone who supports waterboarding to support the “bad”; it’s not that far from supporting both waterboarding and science to supporting using people against their will in medical experiments, Dr Mengele style. You have a point. I’m not entirely convinced that his pro-waterboarding stance outweighs his pro-women’s rights stance, however. A different debate for a different day, I guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-handing-obama-an-huge-bushel-of-poo-what-can-conservatives-blame-obama-for/474509.md?page=3)