# Bush is not an idiot. YOU are! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2002, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291 "2002-12-08T10:29:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Chumpsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Chumpsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chumpsky)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/1 "2002-12-08T10:29:07Z")
This is my first pit thread, so bear with me. I am so sick of liberals crying about how STUPID Bush is. You hear it constantly from the so-called left. God, he’s just so STUPID! They’re all so STUPID, these fucking Republicans, these people who own the world. Let me tell you something. If you think your enemies are stupid, YOU are fucking stupid. These guys are not stupid. Bush is not stupid just because he mispronounces a few words here and there. He is a vicious, calculating man who doesn’t give a damn if you live or die, but he is NOT stupid. And the guys behind him are definitely NOT stupid. They are brilliant for what they have done. The Bush machine is the most brilliant political machine I have ever seen. The absolutely WORST thing to do when engaged in battle is to underestimate your enemies. Bush stupid? The most powerful man on Earth stupid? If you think that, you are an idiot. You are an idiot if you think his bellicosity and apparent inconsistencies are idiotic. It is your own stupidity that does not see the perfectly consistent pattern that lies behind the lies. ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/2 "2002-12-08T11:11:13Z")
I’m a moderate Rebublican, FWIW… But still: Any cites? Anything? Is Bush an idiot? I dunno… never met him. He certainly comes off as one frequently, but then so do I! He does seem to have a good team around him, and that makes me happy. I, for one, wish that conservatives and liberals in the US could get beyond party politics, and actually get on with business. There are some changes that NEED to be made. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/3 "2002-12-08T11:30:12Z")
Dude, is the CIA tapping your phone? Are the FEEBs follwing you around? IRS agents going through your bank statements? Black helicopters?? I think you’re just a _little_ paranoid. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/4 "2002-12-08T11:32:18Z")
No, _you’re_ schmoopie! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RobertTB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@RobertTB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobertTB)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/5 "2002-12-08T11:33:59Z")
I got a Christmas card from President Bush, but I suspect it is due to my donations to the RNC. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![lucwarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@lucwarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lucwarm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/6 "2002-12-08T11:50:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chumpsky \* > \*\* > I am so sick of liberals crying about how STUPID Bush is. You hear it constantly from the so-called left. God, he’s just so STUPID! \*\* IMHO they’re looking for a principled-sounding pretext to attack him. They don’t really care if he’s stupid or not. Do you think the liberals attacked JFK for being stupid? \*\* > [@](#): > > These guys are not stupid. Bush is not stupid just because he mispronounces a few words here and there. He is a vicious, calculating man who doesn’t give a damn if you live or die, but he is NOT stupid. And the guys behind him are definitely NOT stupid. They are brilliant for what they have done. The Bush machine is the most brilliant political machine I have ever seen.\*\* Clinton’s political machine wasn’t so bad either. But yeah, like most presidents, he’s somewhat Machiavellian. By the way, the main reasons I’m responding to you in this thread are (a) I’m totally in love with your screen name and (b) I see a potential legend in the making and I want to get in on the ground floor. So bring it on, baby. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/7 "2002-12-08T11:55:51Z")
From this [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=141846&highlight=Chumpsky+and+Bush): > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chumpsky \* > **Bush himself is an idiot who only has the vaguest idea of what is going on, but the people behind him are pretty smart.** I think you’ve made it perfectly clear here who the real idiot is. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/8 "2002-12-08T11:56:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lucwarm \* > \*\* They don’t really care if he’s stupid or not. Do you think the liberals attacked JFK for being stupid? > \*\* Wasn’t JKF a liberal democrat? ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/9 "2002-12-08T12:04:16Z")
Good God. A post in which I mostly agree with **Chumpsky**. :eek: :eek: :eek: Truly, this be a sign of the end times. ---
**Author:** ![lucwarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@lucwarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lucwarm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/10 "2002-12-08T12:11:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \*\*Wasn’t JKF a liberal democrat? \*\* I have no idea if he was liberal or not, but I know that liberals love him. The point is that if liberals really believed that (relatively) poor intelligence was such a bad quality in a president, they should have been bashing JFK. (Maybe they did in the past? I have no idea.) The reality is that liberals don’t really care whether Bush is an idiot. What they don’t like is that he’s a Republican. They’re just looking for a way to bash him that sounds non-political. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/11 "2002-12-08T12:32:34Z")
The thing that I’ve noticed is, it’s not just super-left liberals that think Bush is an idiot…it’s pretty much everyone. Of course, I do live in a fairly liberal area full of college students, but I have some rather conservative friends who still agree that Bush is dumber than a sack full of hammers. I will grant you that the people behind him are smart. This is where a lot of people get their opinions of how stupid Bush really is. If you listen to speaches written for him by his people, he sounds intelligent and smart and like someone who knows what they hell he’s talking about, and that’s great. But the second he starts speaking on his own…Jesus Fucking CHRIST!!! It’s not that he simply mispronounces a few words here and there, it’s just that every time he opens his mouth and speaks his own mind, he proves that there’s nothing in it. He doesn’t come off as a very free thinker, which makes me glad he’s got a lot of intelligent people behind him…but that also frightens me a lot as well. ---
**Author:** ![Blueapple](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Blueapple](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blueapple)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/12 "2002-12-08T13:18:21Z")
I wouldn’t say he is an idiot at all. He just isn’t as bright as most politicians we know and hear from today. So he isn’t an idiot, but is when you compare him to others. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![flyboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4da419/32.png) [@flyboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flyboy)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/13 "2002-12-08T14:07:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by leander \* > \*\*From this [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=141846&highlight=Chumpsky+and+Bush): > I think you’ve made it perfectly clear here who the real idiot is. \*\* Amen. Any response to this, Chumpsky? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/14 "2002-12-08T14:40:48Z")
Maybe he woke the fuck up? Bush is supremely unintelligent, unlearned, uncurious, and unverbose. To most of us, this means stone cold idiot. But you know what? He has an emotional intelligence that his father could only have hoped for. That charm, plus his charmed life as Bush, Jr. turns out to be all you need to sell your way to the White House. Don’t worry about Bush’s policies, worry about _Rove_ and the rest of the “Mayberry Machiavellis.” ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/15 "2002-12-08T14:50:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chumpsky \* > \*\*I am so sick of liberals crying about how STUPID Bush is. . . . It is your own stupidity that does not see the perfectly consistent pattern that lies behind the lies. \*\* Liberal Prime Minister Jean Cretien has officially declared that Bush “[is **not** a moron](http://news.findlaw.com/politics/s/20021122/canadausabushdc.html).” Probably just another liberal lie. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/16 "2002-12-08T14:54:55Z")
I suppose it is a good thing that Bush is only a moron, and not senile like that last republican president. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/17 "2002-12-08T15:05:53Z")
Thank god for Canada and the official declarations of non-moronicism. Don’t we have an official government document from Germany stating that Bush is not Hitler, and from Italy stating he is not a facist? Yep, if I were conservative, I’d feel really proud with all these certificates of retraction. Personally, I’d rather be governed by the astrologist. ---
**Author:** ![3waygeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/e95f7d/32.png) [@3waygeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3waygeek)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/18 "2002-12-08T15:10:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Muffin \* > \*\*I suppose it is a good thing that Bush is only a moron, and not senile like that last republican president. \*\* George Herbert Walker Bush is senile? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/19 "2002-12-08T15:13:31Z")
Sorry, I think Muffin meant the last _moronic_ Republican president. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291/20 "2002-12-08T15:16:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*Bush is supremely unintelligent, unlearned, uncurious, and unverbose. \*\* Unlearned? With degrees from Harvard and from Yale? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-not-an-idiot-you-are/141291.md?page=2)