# Bush is right and Kennedy's wrong: liberal heads explode over Cape Wind project **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2006, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052 "2006-05-09T12:36:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/81 "2006-05-09T18:05:05Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And it certainly is beautiful, but a large part of the reason it attracts rich (and often famous, too) people is that there are other rich and famous people already there, to play golf with or just hang out with. I’m not entirely sure I agree with this. Yes, I’m sure that some rich folks go there to hang out with other rich folks, but it’s always struck me as a place where social standing means very little. Rich celebrities stand in line with the poor common folk. There is little if any preferential treatment there. (I can think of one exception – my girlfriend was not allowed to smoke in Mike Wallace’s car when she rented it.) ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/82 "2006-05-09T19:02:19Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > The thing is, we really won’t know until they’re built. We can look at artists’ renditions all day long, but that’s no substitute for reality. heres a [pic](http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:GolanHeights-mill.jpg) of some real windmills. this photo was apparently taken from very close–maybe a few hundred yards away–and the windmills are about as obtrusive as electric power lines. That’s not something I would want in my _immediate_ back yard, but a mile or more away wouldnt bother me. So I think that the proposed Cape wind project would be pretty un-obtrusive. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/83 "2006-05-09T19:05:51Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > So I think that the proposed Cape wind project would be pretty un-obtrusive. We can only hope. But that was a pretty ugly picture. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/84 "2006-05-09T19:23:07Z")
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One could look at the Golden Gate Bridge and say it ruined the look of the bay, or you could look at it as a marvel of engineering. The NYC skyline could be a testament to a great city, or the ruination of an island from forest to cold concrete and glass. You could look at a turbine in the distance and say it’s an eyesore, or look at it as a window into the future, where we embrace alternate energy and reduce the need to use fossil fuels. Holland manages to make windmills a positive thing, or should they tear down all those ugly things and spruce up the countryside a bit? ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/85 "2006-05-09T19:48:32Z")
Not completely related, but feck, I use to live in Boston, and looking at those pictures, I’m just not seeing how cold, barren, windswept beaches with brown tumbleweed or whatever that is growing around the side is “beautiful”. Eye of the beholder, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/86 "2006-05-09T20:14:41Z")
I’ll add on to my Senators Nelson and Martinez, who are adamantly opposed to drilling for oil off the coast of Florida. ---
**Author:** ![esquimalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@esquimalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/esquimalt)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/87 "2006-05-09T20:16:57Z")
As a frequent visitor to Craigville Beach (Parents live near the Kennedys)& boater in the area, I can’t see what the big deal is. I also like to bike, jog & fish along the Canal & if it means they can get rid of the power plant at the Sandwich end I would be even more for it. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/88 "2006-05-09T21:16:11Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One could look at the Golden Gate Bridge and say it ruined the look of the bay, or you could look at it as a marvel of engineering. The NYC skyline could be a testament to a great city, or the ruination of an island from forest to cold concrete and glass. I suppose that’s true. The butt-ugly meat grinders might eventually be seen as the Cape’s own version of the Hollywood sign. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/89 "2006-05-09T21:25:06Z")
[I](http://www.nrel.gov/data/pix/Jpegs/06319.jpg) [think](http://prometheus.med.utah.edu/~bwjones/C1276349108/E20050819134348/Media/energy_windmills_californiaM.jpg) [wind](http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38330000/jpg/_38330449_turbines300.jpg) [farms](http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/ioweek/archive/05-02-07/palm_springs_wind_farm_09_14_03_1m_cmyk_800.jpg)[look](http://www.wojack.net/California/WIND%20FARM%200729.JPG) [spectacular](http://www.wojack.net/California/WIND%20FARM%20CA%200732.JPG). I wouldn’t have a problem with vacationing near one. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/90 "2006-05-09T21:27:55Z")
> [@Plynck](#): > > Issues involving visual aesthetics aren’t insignificant There have been times when they are double as significant for Ted Kennedy as they are for the rest of us… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/91 "2006-05-09T21:43:03Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > **Kimstu** , since you’re pretty good at the math for this, how large would bikini bottoms look at 20 feet away? Let’s assume as a very rough guess they are 5 inches high and 18 inches wide. Hey math can be fun! I’m not **Kimstu** , but I do try to be helpful, when I get an opportunity. [Bikini](http://www.criticalmassinteractive.com/images/Spongebob/Bikini%20Bottom%203.jpg) [Bottoms](http://www.criticalmassinteractive.com/images/Spongebob/Bikini%20Bottom%202.jpg), as requested. And if 20 feet away isn’t a good enough view, try [this.](http://www.shopwildplanet.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/wpt54003.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/92 "2006-05-09T22:23:41Z")
I don’t have time to offer a more nuanced and reflective analysis… But as a card-carrying Masshole who has followed the issue for quite some time, my take is this is pure nimbyism. Kennedy and the Nantucket nitwits who bitch about the environment out of one side of their mouths, yet act like a bunch of selfish cunts when doing something constructive impacts their expensive vista, all deserve a steel-toed boot shoved deep up their collective arses. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/93 "2006-05-09T22:31:55Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > And, in turn, I’ll forgive you for referring to me as “Weirddave.” 😃 Hey, you’re only 1/2 of the injured parties in this quoting snafu you know! 😛 Kimstu, I was refering to your reaction towards agreeing with Bush on this issue (Ow ow ow ow ow ow, brain pain!!). Bush is not automatically wrong about everything, Democrats are not automatically right. When both sides can stop demonizing the other simply because of who they are, progress will be made. If you think the wind farm is a good idea on it’s merits, then Bush thinking it’s a good idea or Gore thinking it’s a good idea or Hitler thinking it’s a good idea shouldn’t cause you any brain pain at all. ---
**Author:** ![ScoobyTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@ScoobyTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScoobyTX)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/94 "2006-05-09T22:56:55Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I suppose that’s true. The butt-ugly meat grinders might eventually be seen as the Cape’s own version of the Hollywood sign. If the installation is combined with a prohibition of non-hybrid cars on the Cape, the resulting [smug](http://www.southparkstudios.com/show/display_episode.php?season=10&id1=1002&id2=145) will conceal those “butt-ugly meat grinders!” 😃 Thanks! 😃 What are YOU doing to save the environment? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/95 "2006-05-09T23:28:02Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’m not **Kimstu** , but I do try to be helpful, when I get an opportunity. > > [Bikini](http://www.criticalmassinteractive.com/images/Spongebob/Bikini%20Bottom%203.jpg) [Bottoms](http://www.criticalmassinteractive.com/images/Spongebob/Bikini%20Bottom%202.jpg), as requested. And if 20 feet away isn’t a good enough view, try [this.](http://www.shopwildplanet.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/wpt54003.jpg) \< slaps **kaylasdad99** with Wet Trout \> ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/96 "2006-05-09T23:41:00Z")
I think coal plants look cool. I wouldn’t mind seeing a very large one in Cape Cod, in fact. One of my photographs of a coal plant was pretty enough it was published in a journal; I’ll bet I could make Cape Cod Fires O’Hell Unit 1 look good. The rest of the topic is really too silly to even comment on. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/97 "2006-05-10T07:05:14Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Kimstu, I was refering to your reaction towards agreeing with Bush on this issue (Ow ow ow ow ow ow, brain pain!!). Yes dearie, I know. The agonized howling about trying to cling to rigid partisan prejudices in the face of contradictory reality was what was supposed to be **funny**. Oh well, I guess if you have to explain it, it didn’t come off. (And apologies to you too for my quote misattribution, natch!) And, speaking as somebody who used to vacation on MV as a small child (35 YA or so when it was less richy-rich) and who did a summer internship on Nantucket in college, has vacationed on the Cape since then, etc., I have to ask: how many people who are concerned about this issue have really counted up the number of days when you can actually **see** five or more miles out from the shore of Cape Cod or the Islands? We ain’t talking the perpetually clear brilliant skies of Hawai’i here. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/98 "2006-05-10T13:03:46Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > how many people who are concerned about this issue have really counted up the number of days when you can actually **see** five or more miles out from the shore of Cape Cod or the Islands? _raises hand_ Me me me! Since this issue came up 3 years ago, I have been paying special attention to this very thing. You know how many days are perfectly crystal clear with unlimited visibility? The answer is: Most of them. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/99 "2006-05-10T13:31:24Z")
> [@Loopydude](#): > > Kennedy and the Nantucket nitwits I hear they’re opening for Al Gore and the Mothers of the Internets. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052/100 "2006-05-10T16:56:32Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Yes dearie, I know. The agonized howling about trying to cling to rigid partisan prejudices in the face of contradictory reality was what was supposed to be **funny**. Oh well, I guess if you have to explain it, it didn’t come off. Well **FINE**! Just go ahead and whoosh me then whydoncha! Hmmph! 🆒 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-is-right-and-kennedys-wrong-liberal-heads-explode-over-cape-wind-project/356052.md?page=6)