# Bush-Kerry Debate: Part Deux

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [October 9, 2004, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302 "2004-10-09T00:42:08Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/341 "2004-10-09T02:02:53Z")

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It’s not petty, but it does give the Republicans a favorably-tilted playing field.

And they play off of it.

When they hit you, it’s because they’re stronger and in the majority. When _you_ hit _them_, it’s because you’re cruel, heartless and ‘piling on’.

> [@Random](#):
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> Sheesh, I know it’s petty of me, but comments like this (and similar fanatic comment from **Reeder** , and from **Diogenes** and others) that no one with two brain cells could vote for Bush make me significantly less likely to vote for Kerry. It’s a scary, almost religious obsession that I don’t want to be associated with.

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**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/342 "2004-10-09T02:03:03Z")

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**Random** , there are assholes in every party; for every Ann Coulter, there’s a Michael Moore. Vote on the issues, not on the personalities of one segment of a party’s supporters. It’s the same idea that because one gay guy in the Pit acts like an ass, all gay people should be denied equal rights.

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**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/343 "2004-10-09T02:03:11Z")

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It may be good enough for you dio, but there are undecided voters that need to hear specifics to be swayed. Kerry needs to say 'em.

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**Author:** ![Julius\_Henry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8797f3/32.png) [@Julius\_Henry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Julius_Henry)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/344 "2004-10-09T02:03:12Z")

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Yankees 7, Twins 1, going to the bottom of the sixth.

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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/345 "2004-10-09T02:03:25Z")

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Is it wrong to feel sorry for Bush, even though I’m pretty far left?

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**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/346 "2004-10-09T02:03:26Z")

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Anyone know where I can get a bumpersticker that says, “Anybody but Bush”?

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**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/347 "2004-10-09T02:03:48Z")

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BTW, **gobear** I apologize for the comparison. On reflection, I acknowledge that your posts on this board show balance and nuance that the others’ don’t.

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**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/348 "2004-10-09T02:03:53Z")

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The people here don’t think Kerry is doing that great. He’s going in loops and giving the same speeches.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/349 "2004-10-09T02:04:00Z")

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Say, all this stuff Kerry’s talking about; does he by any chance have a plan?

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/350 "2004-10-09T02:04:05Z")

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Let me put it this way. I was resolved that, if necessary, I would vote for "Fightin’’ Joe"Lieberman. 'Cause he’s not Bush.

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**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/351 "2004-10-09T02:04:05Z")

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> [@Harborwolf](#):
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> Come on Kerry. Get specific!! Say something about your plan, not just that it is better!! :mad:

I agree. I still haven’t heard anything all that useful out of Kerry or Edwards. Though, to be honest, I haven’t been expecting much out of the debates.

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**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/352 "2004-10-09T02:04:09Z")

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I love that Kerry included himself in that top group whom the tax cuts benefited…and then said he was happy to give the cuts up to help the middle-class.

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**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/353 "2004-10-09T02:04:23Z")

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I thought small businesses could buy health insurance together for lower rates.

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**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/354 "2004-10-09T02:04:56Z")

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Bush on jobs: incoherent.

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**Author:** ![JoeSki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b487fb/32.png) [@JoeSki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoeSki)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/355 "2004-10-09T02:05:06Z")

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> [@Miller](#):
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> Kerry said “Orwellian.” By my count, that’s the first literary reference from either candidate. Kerry gets my vote by default.

Ooh damn, I missed that. In what context was it used?

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**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/356 "2004-10-09T02:05:15Z")

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> [@elucidator](#):
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> Let me put it this way. I was resolved that, if necessary, I would vote for "Fightin’’ Joe"Lieberman. 'Cause he’s not Bush.

Hell, the Democrats could have nominated a candidate who woofs, and eats his dinner from a bowl on the floor, and he’d have had my vote. That’s how bad a President I think Bush has been.

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**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/357 "2004-10-09T02:05:31Z")

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Wait, now Bush is defending Edwards’ S-Corp tax “loophole”?

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**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/358 "2004-10-09T02:05:31Z")

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Thank you, **Random**.

Ethanol? That’s pork barrel legislation, not practical energy policy.

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/359 "2004-10-09T02:05:34Z")

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> [@Julius Henry](#):
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> Yankees 7, Twins 1, going to the bottom of the sixth.

Who asked you? Huh? Who?

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**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/360 "2004-10-09T02:05:47Z")

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> [@Mehitabel](#):
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> The people here don’t think Kerry is doing that great. He’s going in loops and giving the same speeches.

Very true. Course Bush is too.

The key right now is the tone of the candidates. I bet the pundits are going to spend a lot of time on how defensive Bush sounds and his cutting off of Gibson. Bush needs to get control and fast.

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