# Bush-Kerry Debate: Part Deux **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 9, 2004, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302 "2004-10-09T00:42:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![TheVincent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3ab097/32.png) [@TheVincent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheVincent)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/441 "2004-10-09T02:20:43Z")
Please, please don’t let Kerry screw up this abortion question. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/442 "2004-10-09T02:20:51Z")
paraphrase “I can’t force my beliefs on others.” damn good answer. I am impressed. ---
**Author:** ![supervenusfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@supervenusfreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supervenusfreak)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/443 "2004-10-09T02:20:55Z")
Nice point about articles of faith and legislation. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/444 "2004-10-09T02:21:01Z")
Wow, Kerry wants to respect people of every faith and even non-faith? How utterly novel. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/445 "2004-10-09T02:21:09Z")
Lumber company question? _Escaton_ caught it! > [@](#): > > …President Bush himself would have qualified as a “small business owner” under the Republican definition, based on his 2001 federal income tax returns. He reported $84 of business income from his part ownership of a timber-growing enterprise… Love that internet! Thank you, Mr. Gore! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/446 "2004-10-09T02:21:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You’re an idiot. Dred Scott is the first example of substantive due peocess, exactly what Bush is inveighing against. It’s directly on point. What does due process have to do with the “under god” decision? That’s pure SOCAS. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/447 "2004-10-09T02:21:34Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Did he just say that he wants constructionist judges, not like the ones in the Dred Scott decision? Is he aware it took a constitutional amendment to overturn that decision. Is he aware that the judges in that decision are just the type he wants? What are you talking about? Taney was NOT a strict constuctionst - the basis of Dred Scott was the ORIGINAL Substantive Due Process decision. It’s exactly what Bush is against. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/448 "2004-10-09T02:21:44Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > paraphrase “I can’t force my beliefs on others.” > > damn good answer. I am impressed. That’s what people used to say about slavery. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/449 "2004-10-09T02:21:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You’re an idiot. Dred Scott is the first example of substantive due peocess, exactly what Bush is inveighing against. It’s directly on point. You’re not listening to what the president actually said. The part that he got so dead wrong was not that it was an example of substantive due process. But that he claimed slavery was not supported by the constitution. Because in 1856 it most definitely was. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/450 "2004-10-09T02:22:05Z")
Yeah, I’m liking Kerry’s abortion answer. Nice to know that atheists can be allowed to make their own decisions. Now, will Bush answer it? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/451 "2004-10-09T02:22:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Love that internet! Thank you, Mr. Gore! Ah, ah, ah…love _those internets_… ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/452 "2004-10-09T02:22:09Z")
“I can’t take an articel of faith, and legislate it for people who don’t share that faith…” Not a bad line, actually. In fact, so good I’m wondering if it’s wholly original. Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/453 "2004-10-09T02:22:23Z")
“I can’t take an article of my own faith and legislate with that.” Amen. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/454 "2004-10-09T02:22:29Z")
I’m sorry, that woman looks like she’s going to get chased by a rusty hangar out of the Town Hall… Sheesh. Settle down. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/455 "2004-10-09T02:22:39Z")
I hope he isn’t planning to make everybody pay for abortions. That will be a vote-changer for tons of people. Maybe even me. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/456 "2004-10-09T02:22:59Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > Wow, Kerry wants to respect people of every faith and even non-faith? > > How utterly novel. Yep. Is it totally pathetic to be squealing in delight merely because a candidate has acknowledged that atheists and agnostics _exist_ and are worthy of respect? I don’t care. I’m squealing anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/457 "2004-10-09T02:23:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What are you talking about? Taney was NOT a strict constuctionst - the basis of Dred Scott was the ORIGINAL Substantive Due Process decision. It’s exactly what Bush is against. Instead of pulling an answer out of my butt, I’ll do some reading tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Dignan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f07891/32.png) [@Dignan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dignan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/458 "2004-10-09T02:23:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You’re an idiot. Dred Scott is the first example of substantive due peocess, exactly what Bush is inveighing against. It’s directly on point. Oh come on, you don’t need to call names. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/459 "2004-10-09T02:23:25Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > That’s what people used to say about slavery. Novel answer considering they weren’t talking about slavery. :dubious: I stated that it was a good answer to the abortion question. It’s what I believe regarding abortion. Do you have a thought on it or just a bag of straw? ---
**Author:** ![supervenusfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@supervenusfreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supervenusfreak)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302/460 "2004-10-09T02:23:26Z")
> [@Lightnin'](#): > > Yeah, I’m liking Kerry’s abortion answer. Nice to know that atheists can be allowed to make their own decisions. > > Now, will Bush answer it? Of course he is, with the same religious right rhetoric that he loves to use. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-kerry-debate-part-deux/268302.md?page=24)