# Bush killed Kennedy **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 24, 2002, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521 "2002-07-24T06:16:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/1 "2002-07-24T06:16:25Z")
I’m not a big conspiracy freak but this was a new one to me. Check it out! I think most will agree the Bush “Dynasty” has some ethically questionable behavior in it’s past. I never thought it was quite this bad but here goes. Samuel Bush (41’s grandfather)got rich providing arms in WW1 through an appointment made by the Whitehouse. Prescott Bush (41’s father)as member of Brown Brothers/Harriman Int. Bank funded Hitler’s Germany Prescott Bush rec’d. International honors as a war hero in WW1 but had yet to be in combat. Pres. Theo. Roosevelt declared Harriman’s corrupt and undesirable. Herbert Walker was in partnership w/ Harriman Prescott married Herbert Walker’s daughter, Dorothy. (41’s parents) really in the money now! this group has ties w/ JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt and more [http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table](http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table) \*\*\*\* Here we go \*\*\* Preston Bush got Eisenhower/Nixon in Whitehouse Jack Ruby worked for Nixon in '47 George Bush planned Bay of Pigs **BUSH and NIXON responsible for killing JFK** Bush was directly involved in Watergate “A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy.” Nixon and Bush both claim to not remember where they were when Pres. Kennedy was shot. http:///www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html Pretty wild stuff. Didn’t say I believed all this, but the cites back up their theories/stories/whatever w/sources and some known facts. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/2 "2002-07-24T07:38:08Z")
:::::::; sigh ::::::::::::; ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/3 "2002-07-24T14:20:41Z")
Yep, you’ve hit the nail on the head. The rich folks control everything and everything we know about American history of the past 60 years is wrong. Too bad you’ll have to be eliminated for revealing that secret information. Nothing personal. Your second link doesn’t work, BTW. > [@](#): > > Preston Bush got Eisenhower/Nixon in Whitehouse **(Cite?)** > > Jack Ruby worked for Nixon in '47 > > George Bush planned Bay of Pigs **(Cite?)** > > **BUSH and NIXON responsible for killing JFK** Can you say non sequitur? > [@](#): > > “A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy.” What does “directly involved” mean? What is the name of the document? Discovered by who? Was it released under the Freedom of Information act? Why not just post the text of the document to the 'Net? ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/4 "2002-07-24T14:42:43Z")
Yeah I see where I typed in an extra backslash on the 2nd cite. Let’s try it again [http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html](http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html) I put the cites in two places, the links which I hope work this time. Damn guys, I was just reading a book, “Autobiography of George Herbert Walker Bush” and this shit popped up. I knew there were some skeletons in the Bush closet, so I did a little extra background and found quite a bit of the info. to be true. Now y’all may have hashed this “theory” out before. If so, I apologize. I never said I believed Nixon and Bush had Kennedy killed. I just thought it was something different, maybe not. But, don’t just dismiss the whole thing because you naturally disagree with conspiracies. The author just linked a bunch of stuff together in a combination and point of view I hadn’t read before. Oh, and if you don’t check his sources as well, then shame on you. Anyway, sorry to have bothered y’all w/ what I thought was an interesting approach. ``` -later- ``` ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/5 "2002-07-24T14:55:42Z")
You have it all wrong. Clara Peller killed Kennedy. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/6 "2002-07-24T14:55:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by t-keela \* > The author just linked a bunch of stuff together in a combination and point of view I hadn’t read before. Oh, and if you don’t check his sources as well, then shame on you. Screw that. If someone posted a theory that Ronald Reagan shot the Pope, I feel no shame in disbelieving it without checking the “sources.” When a theory on its face makes no sense, my job is done. Sua ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/7 "2002-07-24T15:23:02Z")
Did you even check it out for a second? When sources quote congressional hearings and government documents…I’m not so lazy or closed-minded to not at least look at what they are basing their opinion on. Whether I believe the theory or not is irrelevent, what I liked was the research that was involved and the data that was produced in light of the conspiracy. Hell, I didn’t know that Samuel Bush (41’s) grandfather was involved with the Whitehouse and the War Department. I also didn’t know that Prescott Bush was a war hero with ties to Eisenhower. I found it interesting that (41) was friends with the Morgan’s, Rockefeller’s and Vanderbilt’s. These are not somebody’s delusions. They are history and can be found in several sources, including Bush’s own book. I’ll stop bothering y’all now. Bye ---
**Author:** ![Super\_Gnat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Super\_Gnat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Super_Gnat)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/8 "2002-07-24T15:48:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by t-keela \* > \*\* > Samuel Bush (41’s grandfather)got rich providing arms in WW1 through an appointment made by the Whitehouse. So… he landed a defense contract and got rich. > [@](#): > > Prescott Bush (41’s father)as member of Brown Brothers/Harriman Int. Bank funded Hitler’s Germany > > Prescott Bush rec’d. International honors as a war hero in WW1 but had yet to be in combat. > > Pres. Theo. Roosevelt declared Harriman’s corrupt and undesirable. Herbert Walker was in partnership w/ Harriman > > Prescott married Herbert Walker’s daughter, Dorothy. (41’s parents) really in the money now! > > this group has ties w/ JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt and more > > [http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table](http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table) So the filthy rich have contact with each other :eek: God forbid! I don’t really know why you included this… the only thing vaguely incriminating is the Hitler part, which doesn’t seem to have too much to do with JFK… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/9 "2002-07-24T16:47:00Z")
…but… but… if I spent all my time investigating conspiracy theories, I couldn’t watch _Simpsons_! I mean, life is too short. One has to have priorities. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/10 "2002-07-24T17:15:19Z")
If, in fact, t-keela is gone, then this may fall on fear ears (or blind eyes, I suppose, given the medium). But the basic rule in debate is that the person offering the claim has the burden of proof. And the more extraordinary the claim, the more rigorous the proof needed to back it up. Nothing posted above comes remotely close to substantiating the claim. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/11 "2002-07-24T17:38:56Z")
I disagree. It was Miss Scarlett in the library with a candlestick. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/12 "2002-07-24T17:58:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by t-keela \* > \*\*Did you even check it out for a second? When sources quote congressional hearings and government documents…I’m not so lazy or closed-minded to not at least look at what they are basing their opinion on. > > Whether I believe the theory or not is irrelevent, what I liked was the research that was involved and the data that was produced in light of the conspiracy. > > Hell, I didn’t know that Samuel Bush (41’s) grandfather was involved with the Whitehouse and the War Department. > > I also didn’t know that Prescott Bush was a war hero with ties to Eisenhower. > > I found it interesting that (41) was friends with the Morgan’s, Rockefeller’s and Vanderbilt’s. > > These are not somebody’s delusions. They are history and can be found in several sources, including Bush’s own book. > > I’ll stop bothering y’all now. Bye \*\* You are off to a really bad start, **t-keela.** The sources that I am too “lazy or close-minded” to read didn’t even convince **you.** And that certainly _is_ relevant. If the “evidence” isn’t good enough to convert **the person who started the fucking debate,** why should I bother with it? Ohh, I see, because the sources teach us some trivia about Dubya’s ancestors. Fascinating. You are absolutely right - Samuel Bush’s business dealings some 85 years ago is _crucial_ information, that changes my whole world view. I’ll be the first to admit, **t-keela,** that I don’t know everything. But who the fuck do you think you are criticizing me for not being interested in what you know? Get back to me when you know and understand the Rule Against Perpetuities. What? You don’t know it? How lazy of you. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/13 "2002-07-24T19:19:56Z")
Ya forgot one. George Bush had dinner with John Hinkley’s parents the night before he shot Reagan. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/14 "2002-07-24T19:31:05Z")
I thought Castro and Lenin’s ghost killed Kennedy? ---
**Author:** ![Threadkiller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@Threadkiller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Threadkiller)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2002, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/15 "2002-07-24T19:32:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tuckerfan \* > Ya forgot one. George Bush had dinner with John Hinkley’s parents the night before he shot Reagan. :eek: Wow! Bush shot Reagan too! What _were_ we thinking in 1988? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2002, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/16 "2002-07-25T03:33:39Z")
Actualy it worse than all that, GB41 used his position in the CIA to infiltrate the Soviet air defence force in 1960 and personaly shot down Francis Gary Powers and the U-2 spy plane he was piloting. This speeded the devolpment of the SR-71 which we all know, Bush needed in order to fly to London in 1979 to meet with Iranian officials to negociate a delay in ending the hostage crisis. Wheels within wheels. ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2002, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/17 "2002-07-25T03:52:45Z")
Like moths drawn to the flame, so is the Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![LokiTheDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6f9a4e/32.png) [@LokiTheDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LokiTheDog)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2002, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/18 "2002-07-25T04:17:47Z")
Actually the OP is half right. Bush _intended_ to kill Kennedy, but Tupac beat him to it. Bush killed Tupac for stepping on his turf. It takes a cold, cold heart to wait that long to exact one’s revenge. By the way, Bush’s first attempt was less sinister though even more ingenious. He began sleeping with Tipper in the early eighties in order to convince her to start the PMRC in an effort to derail Tupac’s career a decade before it began. As compensation, Al was instructed to switch parties and run as VP under Bush in 88, but ever true to his convictions he declined. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![p\_cific\_812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@p\_cific\_812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/p_cific_812)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2002, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/19 "2002-07-25T05:18:09Z")
I love the internet. I probably couldn’t live without it. Do I trust the internet? NO. I often wonder if I couldn’t find “evidence” of _anything imaginable_ on the internet. Anyway, everyone knows that Elvis killed Kennedy. Sheesh… ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2002, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521/20 "2002-07-25T05:34:47Z")
I thought Bush’s relationship with Tipper was deeper than taht! My source places him matching Tipper and Al up for a date, destining them to get married, all so she’d sabotoge his career in 2000 with some behind the scenes finagleing and enable Bush Jr to become president. My source also lists the Teapot Dome scandle being orcheastrated by Bush to keep the US press busy while he dug up President Garfield and reanimated him to use as an unstoppable assassin who traveled back in time and shot Abe Lincoln in a theater. Bush then used three Hitler clones to recruit members for the Majestic 12, which is the current shadow government of the shadow government. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-killed-kennedy/120521.md?page=2)