# Bush on Fox, pure bullshit. Also, America is doomed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2003, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205 "2003-09-22T23:59:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Muldoon\_s\_Squishiness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@Muldoon\_s\_Squishiness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muldoon_s_Squishiness)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/21 "2003-09-23T02:39:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Mace \* > \*\*Matthews is a self-proclaimed liberal and unquestionably anti-Bush. Absolutely-no-doubt-about-it. I take it you are not very familiar with him. . \*\* Oh, I’m all too familiar with him. He’s a self-proclaimed liberal like Bill O’Reilly is a self-proclaimed independant. There aren’t enough Roll-eyed smilies in the world for your post. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/22 "2003-09-23T02:40:42Z")
Welcome to Hahd Bah. \ ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/23 "2003-09-23T02:44:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Matthews is a self-proclaimed liberal and unquestionably anti-Bush. Cite? My second-cousin works with the guy on the same channel. This doesn’t really seem to compute with what I’ve heard, but then all I have is second-hand rumor. Maybe you have some facts to prove that he is “anti-Bush?” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/24 "2003-09-23T02:55:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Muldoon’s Squishiness \* > \*\*Oh, I’m all too familiar with him. > > He’s a self-proclaimed liberal like Bill O’Reilly is a self-proclaimed independant. > > There aren’t enough Roll-eyed smilies in the world for your post. \*\* From [CM’s bio:](http://primetimetv.about.com/cs/tvnews/a/chrismathews.htm) > [@](#): > > He joined the San Francisco Examiner in 1987 where he served as Washington Bureau Chief for 13 years. Prior to entering journalism, Matthews served as White House aide and speechwriter to President Jimmy Carter and as a top aide to former Speaker of the House Thomas P. O’Neill, Jr. Maybe it’s more accurate to use Dem/Pub rather than Liberal/Conservative. CM is absolutely a Democrat. And, as I said earlier, absolutely anti-Bush. You can say he’s not a liberal, but you cannot say he is a Republican or that he’s pro-Bush. The :rolleyes: are pointing suspiciously in your direction, pal. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/25 "2003-09-23T02:56:21Z")
Being “anti-Bush” doesn’t mean he’s liberal. Just means he sane. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/26 "2003-09-23T03:06:01Z")
Where is the “anti-Bush” part again? Let’s not play the association game: let’s go to the videotape. The daily howler has provided not one, but many many instances in which Matthews not only soft pedalled Bush big time, but dissembled wildly just to slam people like Gore. If someone works for a network who has been given a pundit mandate to try to appeal to conservatives to compete with Fox, I’m guessing that past history is hardly the only factor. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/27 "2003-09-23T03:11:01Z")
Apos: The interview was by Brit Hume, not Mathews. Did I hear you say “Never Mind!”? ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/28 "2003-09-23T03:11:49Z")
Oh, and: before we get too huffy about Fox, what news organziation has ever done anything but softpedal a President in person, especially in a time of war (I mean, time of violent peace)? These junket interviews are not like press interviews (which Bush avoids like no President in the last 70 years), they are scheduled and arranged by the networks and the administration. You don’t bite the hand that feeds yo ua huge huge exclusive, and Fox is no more guilty of this than any other network. No, it isn’t quite kosher journalism, but it is damn important in the ratings war. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/29 "2003-09-23T03:13:56Z")
John Mace: I was responding to a general comment about Mathews, not about the particular interview in question. Did I hear you say “doh!”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/30 "2003-09-23T03:16:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*Being “anti-Bush” doesn’t mean he’s liberal. Just means he sane. \*\* Yeah, but being Liberal would certainly mean he was **in** sane.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/31 "2003-09-23T03:24:05Z")
Matthews stated on his show that he voted for Clinton twice but he also ripped him for the Lewinski thing. I think CM really is what Bill O’Reilly pretends to be-- an equal opportunity savager of politicos. I’ve heard him say good and bad things about Bush but he seemed to lean against the war and has been critical about the lack of WMDs. I would guess that Matthews is probably a moderate Democrat. He’s not a raving liberal but he’s no right-winger either. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/32 "2003-09-23T03:35:39Z")
O’Reilly really needs to drop the “Independent” thing. While I think he does a reasonable job supressing his Republican leanings, anyone who who has Cal Thomas (or John Kasich, for that matter) sub for him while he’s on vacation, can’t be too much of an independent. Matthews has really grown on me of late. I used to hate the guy, and couldn’t watch him for more than 5 minutes without wanting to punch the TV out. He’s toned down the ravings a bit and doensn’t appear to be spitting so much when he speaks. Now if Jim Cramer can just settle down a bit…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![syncrolecyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@syncrolecyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/syncrolecyne)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/33 "2003-09-23T04:02:58Z")
I thought Matthews worked in the Carter Administration…not high up of course. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/34 "2003-09-23T04:14:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pantom \* > \*\*Mathews can pass himself off as a liberal only in the truly warped context of politics in the decade of the Zeroes. That’s a pun that’s meant, by the way, if anyone’s wondering. \*\* Oh, I get it. Very clever. How’s that working out for you, being clever? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/35 "2003-09-23T04:51:47Z")
I’m so totally confused. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/36 "2003-09-23T05:03:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by syncrolecyne \* > \*\*I thought Matthews worked in the Carter Administration…not high up of course. \*\* Look back 9 posts prior to your post. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/37 "2003-09-23T05:08:31Z")
Back to the OP… Brit was pretty easy on Bush. He asked some tough questions, but never hit him with tougher follow-up questions when the answers were sub par. Bush, for his part, seemed more nervous than usual. He didn’t seem comfortable until the very end when the topic turned to the everyday politics of Dem/Pub sparings. But, as someone mentioned earlier, this was pretty much what past presidential interviews have been like. And it’s not like that many people watched it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/38 "2003-09-23T05:28:07Z")
> [@](#): > > “Iraq shouldn’t have flown planes into the towers” Oh, for fuck’s sake. Do these idiots know that [even Bush isn’t saying there’s any evidence that Saddam was involved in 9/11](http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0919-05.htm)? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/39 "2003-09-23T05:35:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Mace \* > \*\*Back to the OP… > > Brit was pretty easy on Bush. He asked some tough questions, but never hit him with tougher follow-up questions when the answers were sub par. Bush, for his part, seemed more nervous than usual. He didn’t seem comfortable until the very end when the topic turned to the everyday politics of Dem/Pub sparings. > > But, as someone mentioned earlier, this was pretty much what past presidential interviews have been like. And it’s not like that many people watched it anyway. \*\* I guess I’m so sick of hearing him talk about the same shit that it rubs me like a cheesegrater to the face. In fact I don’t even know if it’s 100% him, perhaps it’s simply the phrase “the American people”. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/40 "2003-09-23T05:46:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MEBuckner \* > \*\*Oh, for fuck’s sake. > > Do these idiots know that [even Bush isn’t saying there’s any evidence that Saddam was involved in 9/11](http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0919-05.htm)? \*\* Ha! That’s nothing. You should have been around for the part where they endorsed every war the US has been in, and if that wasn’t retarded enough, one of them said “I’ll endorse the next war right now, because if the Pres needs to whip some ass, that’s good enough for me”. The mind boggles. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205.md?page=3)