# Bush on Fox, pure bullshit. Also, America is doomed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2003, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205 "2003-09-22T23:59:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![El\_Gui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@El\_Gui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Gui)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/41 "2003-09-23T06:47:57Z")
Found a link to the [transcript.](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98006,00.html) ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/42 "2003-09-23T11:13:16Z")
> [@](#): > > HUME: Tell me one thing. How often do you talk to your dad? > > BUSH: You know, probably once every two weeks. > > HUME: Really? Because I think a lot of people would imagine that you guys would be in touch constantly. > > BUSH: No, I’m in touch constantly – you mean like in terms of asking him…\*\* 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/43 "2003-09-23T11:19:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*You don’t want to know. > > They were also saying “don’t worry about it, if he does some stupid shit, they’ll elect someone else in 4 years, relax.” > > :smack: \*\* They’re right. Tweedle Dee replaces Tweedle Dum and the beat goes on. That’s the 'Murkan way. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/44 "2003-09-23T11:26:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\* “that’s what we do (America), we fuck people up” \*\* I am grudgingly forced to agree. Or at least that appears to be the current basis for US foreign policy. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/45 "2003-09-23T11:37:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gyrate \* > \*\*I am grudgingly forced to agree. Or at least that appears to be the current basis for US foreign policy. \*\* Yes, but they were proud of this. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_cleaner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/46 "2003-09-23T13:18:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*In other news I got in a huge political argument with 3 of my closest friends, and they are all like December. I’m seriously thinking of shunning them forever. \*\* I got into a HUGE argument with my brother in April about the coming war. (Me against, him very strongly for). We later agreed never to talk politics again. But it’s SO HARD not to say **nyaah, nyaah, nyaah…** 😛 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/47 "2003-09-23T13:23:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*They’re right. Tweedle Dee replaces Tweedle Dum and the beat goes on. That’s the 'Murkan way. \*\* “Meet the New Boss. Same as the Old Boss.” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/48 "2003-09-23T13:58:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by seal\_cleaner \* > \*\*I got into a HUGE argument with my brother in April about the coming war. (Me against, him very strongly for). > We later agreed never to talk politics again. > \*\* Sounds like a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/49 "2003-09-23T15:32:44Z")
You can still just frown and shake your head sadly whenever you hear the subject come up. Without saying a word, that will still get the point across that you were right factually and morally, and still are. He won’t have a reply because you haven’t said anything. But you must be sure your expressions convey weary sadness, not nyah-nyah-ness. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/50 "2003-09-23T15:54:03Z")
That damned [exocomp episode](http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/st-tng/episodes/235.html) gets me every time. Not only is it a rehash of [“Measure of a Man”](http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/st-tng/episodes/135.html), but Data’s conduct is totally outrageous. Emerging machine intellegence or no, he deserves to be courtmarshalled for locking out the transporter controls and endangering Geordi and the Captain like that. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/51 "2003-09-23T16:05:36Z")
> [@](#): > > BUSH: Well, such as Yemen or – you know we’re chasing down al Qaeda types and former remnants of the Taliban regime in the wild regions of Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. That’s difficult terrain. And so the fact that they’ve chosen to fight us in Iraq is – we’ve adjusted and we’re ready to fight and take them on. > > HUME: There are people who suggest that, look, you wouldn’t have to be dealing with these people at all if you hadn’t gone into Iraq. That these, in some sense, are newly recruited or newly minted terrorists. What’s your view of that? > > BUSH: That’s probably the same type of person that says that therapy would work in convincing terrorists not to kill innocent life. _Huh???_ Excuse me, Mr. President, but could you go over this real slow? What I hear you saying is that someone who thinks Iraq presents a bona fide new recruiting field for Islamic terrorist organizations is basically the equivalent of some airy-fairy type who thinks a good therapist would help al-Qaeda members work out their aggressions peacably. Mr. President, you’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/52 "2003-09-23T16:28:42Z")
Same guy compared mass anti-war demonstrations, with millions of people, many of whom had never before acted politically, begging him not to do it, to _focus groups_. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/53 "2003-09-23T16:34:03Z")
I’d love to see the fucker sitting in front of the likes of Jeremy Paxman. At least Blair stands up for himself the hard way. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/2732979.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/2732979.stm) Hey even let David Frost have a go. What damage could he do 😉 ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/54 "2003-09-23T17:36:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Derleth \* > > ## quote: > > ## Originally posted by monstro Star Trek NG is on. Commander Data keeps insisting that he has found new life and no one–especially Number One–believes him. > > That was a middling-good episode, but not as good as some. > > Which means it’s miles better than FOX News. Ugh! That one sucked balls. Yet another “Gee willikers, it’s a new life form” episode. That show was getting so that every time Picard took a shit it was a new life form.:rolleyes: Still better than Fox News, though… ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/55 "2003-09-23T18:15:20Z")
This part kills me: > [@](#): > > I will make it clear that I made the right decision and the others that joined us made the right decision. The world is a better place without Saddam Hussein. The U.N. is going to be – has a chance to be more effective as a result of 1441. That’s the resolution that said if you don’t disarm there will be serious consequences. At least somebody stood up and said this is a definition of serious consequences. Makes me wonder if he ever even _looked_ at 1441. It’s quite explicit, and the U.N. was already taking the specified action. It’s kind of scary how he mixes 2 different arguments, i.e. “The world is a better place without Saddam” - but then slips in the reference to 1441 as if to imply the war was somehow justified by the resolution. Nice try…:wally I also like how England keeps getting upgraded to “the others”. Kind of like the theme song to Gilligan’s Island: “and the rest…” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/56 "2003-09-24T04:13:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blowero \* > \*\*This part kills me: > > Makes me wonder if he ever even _looked_ at 1441. It’s quite explicit, and the U.N. was already taking the specified action. It’s kind of scary how he mixes 2 different arguments, i.e. “The world is a better place without Saddam” - but then slips in the reference to 1441 as if to imply the war was somehow justified by the resolution. Nice try…:wally > > I also like how England keeps getting upgraded to “the others”. Kind of like the theme song to Gilligan’s Island: “and the rest…” \*\* I agree with you. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/57 "2003-09-24T06:27:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*I agree with you. Wow. \*\* So you’re right for once.😉 ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/58 "2003-09-24T07:08:30Z")
> [@](#): > > [Bush interview earned lowest rating](http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/09/23/bush.media.reut/index.html) > > On Monday night, the American public was apparently far more interested in new comedies and a blowout football game than their president’s take on the state of the international effort to rebuild Iraq. > > Data from Nielsen Media Research released Tuesday showed that a one-hour interview with President Bush on Fox came dead last in the hour among the six major broadcast television networks in both total viewers and audiences aged 18 to 49. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/59 "2003-09-24T11:16:44Z")
I just saw that **Sailor**. Hopefully he’ll be _cancelled_. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205/60 "2003-09-24T12:56:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sailor \* > \*\* Bush interview earned lowest rating > > On Monday night, the American public was apparently far more interested in new comedies and a blowout football game than their president’s take on the state of the international effort to rebuild Iraq. > > Data from Nielsen Media Research released Tuesday showed that a one-hour interview with President Bush on Fox came dead last in the hour among the six major broadcast television networks in both total viewers and audiences aged 18 to 49. \*\* Fox and the GOP, up in a tree K I S S I N G (repost from a different thread): > [@](#): > > Gee why did Fox carry the Bush interview- and why such softball questions from its “reporter”: > > ## quote: > > But when Fox News Channel, Rupert Murdoch’s 24-hour cable network, debuted in 1996, a curious thing happened: Instead of denouncing it, conservative politicians and activists lavished praise on the network. “If it hadn’t been for Fox, I don’t know what I’d have done for the news,” Trent Lott gushed after the Florida election recount (Washington Post, 2/5/01). George W. Bush extolled Fox News Channel anchor Tony Snow–a former speechwriter for Bush’s father–and his “impressive transition to journalism” in a specially taped April 2001 tribute to Snow’s Sunday-morning show on its five-year anniversary (Washington Post, 5/7/01). The right-wing Heritage Foundation had to warn its staffers not to watch so much Fox News on their computers, because it was causing the think tank’s system to crash. > > ## When it comes to Fox News Channel, conservatives don’t feel the need to “work the ref.” The ref is already on their side. Since its 1996 launch, Fox has become a central hub of the conservative movement’s well-oiled media machine. Together with the GOP organization and its satellite think tanks and advocacy groups, this network of fiercely partisan outlets–such as the Washington Times, the Wall Street Journal editorial page and conservative talk-radio shows like Rush Limbaugh’s–forms a highly effective right-wing echo chamber where GOP-friendly news stories can be promoted, repeated and amplified. Fox knows how to play this game better than anyone. > > [http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/fox-main.html](http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/fox-main.html) > > Oh, that’s why. Fair and balanced my ass. Rupert Murdock got his bribe-- Direct TV handed to him through the Bush Adminstration through some heavily lobbied for anti-trust rulings blocking the Echostar merger then we he got that deal killed, rubber stamping his own merger. Halburton, Enron, Energy policy for sale behind closed doors, ect. Remember the good old days when a crappy AK land deal and a protein stained dress were considered poor behavior? Too bad Bill wasn’t a Pubbie, if he was he would have had an Aircraft Carrier named after himself by now. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-on-fox-pure-bullshit-also-america-is-doomed/203205.md?page=2)