# Bush supports a racist agenda ! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 31, 2005, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-supports-a-racist-agenda/328806 "2005-10-31T22:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rachm\_Qoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Rachm\_Qoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachm_Qoch)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-supports-a-racist-agenda/328806/21 "2005-11-01T22:45:06Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Well then, I agree with you except for the part where we actually _support_ the racist agenda. To be fair, we’re not supporting a racist agenda; we’re supporting Iraqi self-determination. If they decide to do unfortunate things such as marginalize Sunnis, curtail women’s rights, institute Sharia-lite and racist policy, … well, that’s self-determination. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-supports-a-racist-agenda/328806/22 "2005-11-01T23:12:40Z")
> [@Rachm Qoch](#): > > To be fair, we’re not supporting a racist agenda; we’re supporting Iraqi self-determination. If they decide to do unfortunate things such as marginalize Sunnis, curtail women’s rights, institute Sharia-lite and racist policy, … well, that’s self-determination. To be fair, we are supporting the installation of a racist agenda. With troops. With money. With lives. I thought we were fighting for a “western style” democracy but we are not even getting that. We are fighting for a racist agenda. One that will insure civil strife for years to come because one group of people can impose their ‘self-determination’ on another without regard or care. We should not be a party to that. Instead our government is advancing it. Imagine how ‘self-determing’ Iraq would be if our military wasn’t in there imposing a faux ‘western style’ democracy. Why, they’d be-- governing themselves! Kinda like they were doing before we invaded them and fucked shit up. Not so many calls for self-determination back then. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-supports-a-racist-agenda/328806/23 "2005-11-01T23:28:02Z")
> [@Rachm Qoch](#): > > If they decide to do unfortunate things such as marginalize Sunnis, curtail women’s rights, institute Sharia-lite and racist policy, … well, that’s self-determination. Isn’t that the kind of view that the President used to call “the soft bigotry of low expectations” when it was suggested by people [skeptical of the proposed Iraq invasion](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/03/14/MN22108.DTL)? > [@](#): > > A classified State Department report [from February 2003] expresses deep skepticism that installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of democracy in the Middle East, a claim President Bush has made in trying to build support for a war, according to intelligence officials familiar with the document. […] > > “Liberal democracy would be difficult to achieve,” says one passage of the report, according to an intelligence official who agreed to read portions of it to the Los Angeles Times. “Electoral democracy, were it to emerge, could well be subject to exploitation by anti-American elements.” […] > > “A new regime in Iraq would serve as a dramatic and inspiring example of freedom for other nations in the region,” Bush said. […] > > Middle East experts said there are other factors working against democratic reform, including a culture that values community and to some extent conformity over individual rights. > > Bush has responded to such assessments by assailing the “soft bigotry of low expectations.” I mean, we went in there with optimistic rhetoric about establishing genuine democracy and liberty to inspire reform across the Arab world. Now, suddenly, it’s only about Iraqi “self-determination” in the form of some kind of quasi-electoral theocracy? Sure, half a loaf is better than no bread, I guess, but it’s kind of disconcerting when you remember the blithe predictions about getting the whole fucking bakery. ---
**Author:** ![Rachm\_Qoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Rachm\_Qoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachm_Qoch)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-supports-a-racist-agenda/328806/24 "2005-11-01T23:51:01Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > To be fair, we are supporting the installation of a racist agenda. With troops. With money. With lives. I thought we were fighting for a “western style” democracy but we are not even getting that. We are fighting for a racist agenda. How do you propose forcing a “Western style” democracy on an unwilling populace? > [@Kimstu](#): > > I mean, we went in there with optimistic rhetoric about establishing genuine democracy and liberty to inspire reform across the Arab world. Now, suddenly, it’s only about Iraqi “self-determination” in the form of some kind of quasi-electoral theocracy? > > Sure, half a loaf is better than no bread, I guess, but it’s kind of disconcerting when you remember the blithe predictions about getting the whole fucking bakery. Yep. At this point we should be happy with whatever crumbs we can get. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2005, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-supports-a-racist-agenda/328806/25 "2005-11-01T23:58:03Z")
> [@Rachm Qoch](#): > > How do you propose forcing a “Western style” democracy on an unwilling populace? I do not propose forcing anything on anybody. I propose we get the fuck out of there as quickly as possible. This was a complete cock-up from the beginning and the longer it drags, the worse it gets. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-supports-a-racist-agenda/328806/26 "2005-11-02T00:09:58Z")
**Airman Doors, USAF** , once again, I salute you. Take care and good luck. As the comander in chief used to say: “Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.” - then Governor George W. Bush. Over here, I do think we need to constantly remind him of that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-supports-a-racist-agenda/328806.md?page=1)