# Bush to make homophobia a centerpiece of his campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386 "2004-01-14T16:15:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/181 "2004-02-10T02:08:32Z")
> [@rodrigo](#): > > When will yout stop trying to control my (and other people’s) mind processes? I can come with my ideas any bloody way I want; don’t like them , don’t use them. We aren’t the ones trying to use the legal system to dictate your behavior. > [@](#): > > Thanx for the words. Of course you know that when the Archbishop talked about families he was refering to tradtional families (man-woman kind). I’m sure the “best” gay couples are much better than the worst “traditional” couples. Then why do you give moral and legal approval to the worst traditional couples, and withhold them from the best homosexual unions? > [@](#): > > It is a fact, however, that a number very close to 100% of male gay couples have sex outside the marriage, with consent, and thinking that’s good (lesbians tend to be more faithful) and that the “open” marriage is the norm. Those were clearly not the ideals the arch was talking about Uh-huh. You gotta a cite for that “fact” of yours, bucko? > [@](#): > > when will I hear this? > > Politicians: I support gay marriage, the Bible tells us to accept it. > Liberal open-minded guy: Don’t bring your religious views into government!!! The argument you continue to fail to comprehend is not that people in government shouldn’t be religious, it’s that people shouldn’t use the government to impose their religion on anyone else. As long as your amazingly hypothetical politician isn’t forcing people to enter into gay marriages against their will, or use his religious views to prevent heterosexual couples from getting married, than he _is not forcing his religious views on anyone_. > [@](#): > > I have no problem with my ideas being ridiculed by people who don’t understand them, the minimum I ask is that I can get my opinion whatever bloody way I so desire. Feel free to “debunk” (yeah, right, as if you could) Oh, we understand you alright. It’s not terribly hard. Or new. Or interesting. You haven’t said one thing here that hasn’t been repeated by every other straight supremacist who’s come through the boards. > [@](#): > > My ilk and I just want to do the right thing and not let gays ruin what little is left of family and marriage. For the umpty-umpteenth time, how does gay marriage have any effect, one way or the other, on your family or marriage? If your marriage falls apart, how is that the fault of anyone besides you and your wife? What the hell ever happened to personal responsibility, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/182 "2004-02-10T02:15:57Z")
> [@Rodrigo](#): > > **Homebrew** > My ilk and I just want to do the right thing and not let gays ruin what little is left of family and marriage. Yeah, because all of you straight folks are doing so well at destroying it all by yourselves. “The right thing” is to promote equality under the law to ALL PEOPLE! Your tiny little Christian “narrow path” is not the proper model for secular law. It’s really very simple. Nobody’s asking you to do ANYTHING you don’t want to do. Any more than Britney asked you to do anything when she got married to her childhood friend as a “joke”. You don’t have to do anything. You can sit in your bigoted little life and run us down all you want. All we require you to do is GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY instead of standing across the doorway like some kind of homosexuality-obsessed George Wallace standing in the doorway of the University of Alabama! ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2004, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/183 "2004-02-11T01:04:56Z")
[Homophobes Target Candidates](http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4046.shtml) Yeah, it’s a nasty title for an article. But it also says exactly what several of us said would be said, know what I’m sayin’? > [@](#): > > [Candidates Kerry’s and Clark’s] responses did not satisfy angry conservatives like Sandy Rios, president of Concerned Women for America. She warned that candidates would be “held accountable at the polls for failure to support the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman.” > > “Some politicians should be quaking in their boots over the gay marriage problem,” said Rios. “People used to say abortion was a litmus test, but this is as major an issue because polls show people care about the institution of marriage.” and > [@](#): > > [A Focus on the Family guy] also cautioned candidates that they couldn’t have it both ways by backing civil unions while opposing gay marriage. > > “Like tipping your hat to gays while trying not to antagonize other voters,” said Stanton. Of course, it’s not Bush himself doing it… ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2004, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/184 "2004-02-11T07:45:39Z")
Actually, according to the WaPo, [Bush is about to endorse the Musgrave amendment](http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A30326-2004Feb10?language=printer). Some think this will be THE campaign-defining issue. Who knows? ---
**Author:** ![plnnr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@plnnr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/plnnr)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2004, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/185 "2004-02-11T15:00:40Z")
Does the goverment have a legitimate public interest in defining marriage as only the union of a man and a woman? Does the government, in so doing, increase the general health, safety, and welfare of the populace? Does the crime rate decrease? Is the environment cleaner, the air and water more healthful? Are we safer from a terrorist attack? Does it increase the GDP, reduce the inflation rate, or in any other way effect the national economy? Does it assist the government in any way shape or form in providing for the common good of the Republic? No, it does not. We do not live in a theocracy (yet), and the imposition of the issue of gay marriage is only a diversion from a still-wandering Afghanistan Osama Ben-Laden, more than 500 dead American soilders in Iraq, more than 2,000,000 jobs lost under the present Administration, and no WMDs found resulting in a sharp decline in our national credibility on the world state. George Walker Bush is no compassionate conservative. He’s a mean-spirited Fascist and all of those that voted for the man are equally responsible for the sad state of affairs we find ourself in today. ---
**Author:** ![Rodrigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Rodrigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodrigo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2004, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/186 "2004-02-15T04:25:48Z")
(THIS IS A TWO-PART MESSAGE) **Miller** Straight supremacist!! Now that’s new. You’d think I did’nt want gays to use the same drinking fountains. ---
**Author:** ![Rodrigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Rodrigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodrigo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2004, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/187 "2004-02-15T04:34:54Z")
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**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2004, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/188 "2004-02-15T06:01:24Z")
If all or most homos are like the ones you’re describing in quotes, what’s to worry about with the gay marriage thing? We’re obviously by and large incapable of love or fidelity so none of us will want to marry. Or, wait, could it be that the homos most anxious to marry each other are the ones who (gasp) actually love each other, and avoid disease and promiscuity and unfaithfulness? I’m (as a bystander to this thread) just not seeing the point of your string of pearls, except that “homos are icky,” which is not news from you. What bearing does all this have on gay marriage? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2004, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/189 "2004-02-15T06:25:16Z")
**Rodrigo** , you should look at some studies on lesbian relationships sometime. It turns out that female/female relationships are longer lasting and a a lower percentage of infidelity than male/female relationships. Take a look at the lifestyles of male pro athletes, movie stars and rock stars. HUGE infidelity amomg married males and promiscuity among the single ones. Why? _Opportunity_. The more tempation a man has the more likely he is to give in to it. The thing about gay guys is that they’re _guys_. That means they’re horny and it’s much easier to talk a guy into sex than a woman. It’s easier for a gay guy to get laid than a straight guy. They have more opportunity. It’s not a gay thing it’s a guy thing. This is not to say that males are not capable of fidelity even in the face of tempation. There are pro athletes, rocks stars and movie stars who stay faithful to their spouses and don’t shag groupies. There are gay males who are faithful to their partners/spouses without running off to a bathhouse every night. The promiscuity of males is a pretty lame reason to deny marital rights unless you’re willing to deny marital rights to rock stars and athletes as well as gay males. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2004, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/190 "2004-02-15T06:32:36Z")
> [@Rodrigo](#): > > In the July 1999 issue of " Out Magazine “, there was an article about a lesbian and a gay guy who decide to get married. The lesbian, Lisa, explains the limitations of their relationship, " I had huge performance anxieties, I mean, the total number of men whose bodies I’d touched and tried to please was, you know, 9. That was, like, the total number of men Bro (her gay husband) would try to please in a weekend…We’d drive out to the Palisades in the evening and talk and talk and talk, then I’d drop him off to go have sex in bathrooms.” Source: Miles, Sara, " He kissed a girl," Out Magazine, July 1999, pp.51-53. > ? The irony is that the marriage you deride here is chock full of the sam ‘sanctity’ of a hetero marriage because it’s a union between a man and a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Rodrigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Rodrigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodrigo)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2004, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/191 "2004-02-16T05:24:46Z")
I may be breaking a record of answering so many posts alone. Since I have almost no competition in me, it is getting quiet boring. The point in the zillion quotes was to show that gays are incredibly reckless in their sexuality. Just being a gay male takes 20 years from your life expectancy. NO wonder somebody called it the gay “deathstyle”. Someone asked if rock stars should be denied marriage. I think anyone not willing to abide by the rules of basic marriage, such as fidelity and co-operation, should be denied marriage. **Diog** Are you related to Barry Sanders? Your dodging ability reminds me of his. Since I am more assuredly a moron, and you continue to debate me, it must be that a) your sig line is just empty bravado, b) you’re too embarassed to recognise it or, c) you’re even a greater moron than I am. BTW, I’d like to see those studies. **masonite** I was just obliging a request to quote. It is totally to the point, cuz it shows how real gays are. Even those in “stable” relationships are more reckless than single ones. * * * Much has been said about how gay marriage direct ly afects straights. First I have to say that direct harm is a strange and selfish yardstick. Most whites (maybe all whites) were not DIRECTLY affected by the black.s’ not being able to use the same hotels as whites. It was still wrong and many whites protested against segregation because of philosophical reasons. I was (or am) not personally affected by Stalin’s purges and gulags, still they were wrong. Please don’t hold your breath for my next post, I’ll come back next week maybe. I’m going to the STRAIGHT SUPREMACISTS AND HOMOPHOBES convention. * * * I used to like fags, but the doctor told me they’d give me cancer ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2004, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/192 "2004-02-16T06:23:55Z")
> [@](#): > > It is totally to the point, cuz it shows how real gays are. Even those in “stable” relationships are more reckless than single ones. Come tell me how real I am. I have in the past had a stable relationship (\> 10 years and ongoing, tho not sexual or romantic anymore) and I’m currently (romantically) single and (sexually) celibate. If I meet Mr. Right, will I become reckless, do you think? Do you know? Excuse me, have we met? ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2004, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/193 "2004-02-16T09:29:26Z")
> [@Rodrigo](#): > > The point in the zillion quotes was to show that gays are incredibly reckless in their sexuality. Just being a gay male takes 20 years from your life expectancy. NO wonder somebody called it the gay “deathstyle”. Fuck you, you sanctimonious piece of shit. I am not promiscuous, nor am I in an open relationship. Nor are ANY of the 20+ gay males (all in their 20s) that I am close to. In fact, at my school, of the noteworthy “out” gays, there is only one who is promiscuous is a social pariah among the rest of us —because of his fucking around. The reason why so many gays might have so many partners is the closet. People who are in the closet cannot develop a lasting relationship, and therefore must have sex through what are, effectively, one night stands. Coming out erases a lot of these pressures. Many of your quotes were from the early 1980s or even the 1970s. What a load of bullshit. Gays who are emerging today, particularly younger gays, are nothing like the gays in the pre-HIV era. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2004, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/194 "2004-02-16T10:44:54Z")
> [@](#): > > I think anyone not willing to abide by the rules of basic marriage, such as fidelity and co-operation, should be denied marriage. Really? How about this author of the Defense of Marriage Act then?: [http://www.enidnews.com/story.php?story\_id=56471&c=29](http://www.enidnews.com/story.php?story_id=56471&c=29) But here, i have a messageboard you might find better suited to your particular lines of interest than this one: [http://www.solosuck.com/wwwboard/messages/371.html](http://www.solosuck.com/wwwboard/messages/371.html) ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2004, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/195 "2004-02-16T11:09:44Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Rodrigo** _ > Someone asked if rock stars should be denied marriage. I think anyone not willing to abide by the rules of basic marriage, such as fidelity and co-operation, should be denied marriage. I am willing to give you some credit for consistency. _However_, I will point out to you that it is legal for those who commit infidelity to marry and remarry, and there is no move afoot to make it illegal. Indeed, a person can kill multiple spouses and still legally be allowed to marry. If the sanctity and preservation of marriage is so important, why is there no outcry about the marriage and remarriage of those who commit adultery? Why is there no move to make it illegal for a person convicted of abusing his or her spouse to remarry? As fort the homosexual promiscuity cites, congratulations. You’ve set up a lovely Catch 22. You condemn homosexuals for wanting monogamous relationships then turn around and condemn them for being promiscuous. I gather you would enjoin them to be celibate, a choice you, yourself, were not willing to make. Your thanks in your last response to me were not appreciated. I am polite to you because it is what my religion requires me to be. I’ve read your responses to others and the language you’ve used to them. Since we are expecting others to live by our moral standards, the response that you are only treating others the way they treated you is no more adequate for me than **masonite** ’s desire for a monogamous relationship is adequate for you. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/196 "2004-02-17T06:44:00Z")
Has anyone else noticed how **Roderigo’s** posts have gotten progressively more unstable? I caught it when he sympathized with the use of the word “deathstyle,” which AFAIK is only used by the most virulent and rabid of homophobes. It’s one of those epithets that’s so shockingly insulting that you’re a little surprised when someone spits it out. Frankly, I pity him. I’m sorry he feels this way. I’m sorry that he had to experience whatever influences in his life has caused him to want to condemn millions of his fellow human beings to legally sanctioned marginality just because of one aspect of their lives. He just doesn’t know what he’s missing by looking down on them. Most of all, I’m sorry that anyone is raised to feel this kind of hate. It says something about the state of the world, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/197 "2004-02-17T16:37:16Z")
"And in the hotly contested **Most Lame Response to a Post** , the winner is - " **spectrum** , for his/her “My Completely Unverifiable Anecdote Conclusively Disproves Your 43 Cites, So Fuck You” post. **Leaper** made a strong showing with his sanctimonious little “your meticulous research means you are unstable, and hate me” post, but the part of **spectrum** ’s post where he asserts that marriage will instantly convert promiscuous gays into stable, monogamous homebodies put him in front to stay. Congratulations to all who competed. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/198 "2004-02-17T18:24:41Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > "And in the hotly contested **Most Lame Response to a Post** , the winner is - " > **spectrum** , for his/her “My Completely Unverifiable Anecdote Conclusively Disproves Your 43 Cites, So Fuck You” post. > > **Leaper** made a strong showing with his sanctimonious little “your meticulous research means you are unstable, and hate me” post, but the part of **spectrum** ’s post where he asserts that marriage will instantly convert promiscuous gays into stable, monogamous homebodies put him in front to stay. > > Congratulations to all who competed. > > Regards, > Shodan Well, I considered reviewing each of Roddy’s “meticulously researched” cites, but I had some very important getting on with my life to do. Many of his cites are hopelessly outdated (cites from 1979 on the sexual behaviour of one segment of the male portion of a subculture in the full throes of its liberation movement are completely irrelevant to whether gays in 2004 should be allowed to legally marry, and ignores lesbians both then and now), ridiculously biased (citing “Reparative Therapy” journals when reparative therapy has been condemned as useless at best and dangerous at worst by every reputable mental health professional organization in the country and possibly the English-speaking world is not an argument against the legalization of SSM) or flat-out bizarre (a quote from Woodt Harrelson about actors who sleep around to get ahead has what bearing again on the discussion?). By and large they stand on their own as arguments against his position, if this is the best he can do to support it. As for those cites which at first blush appear to have some relevance (the relationship cites, although it appears upon a brief review that they reference men exclusively, again ignoring lesbians), how exactly does barring supposedly “promiscuous” people who “have trouble forming stable relationships” from the single most widely existant form of stable relationship help them to form stable relationships? What does “promiscuity” have to do with being able to get legally married in the first place? I thought the bloody bedsheet hung out the bridal window the morning after the wedding night went out of fashion several hundred years ago. As for evidence, I would say that the well over 2,000 same-sex couples who have married in San Francisco in the, what, five days since the city started issuing licenses is pretty strong evidence that there is a vast pool of same-sex couples who, “promiscuous” or not, have formed stable relationships. Anecdotally, look at some of the couples who have married and how long they’ve been together. Two years. Ten years, 30 years. 51 years in one case. How long does a stable relationship have to exist, and in what quantity, before Roddy will concede their existence? He’ll I have no doubt never concede their legitimacy, but their existence? It is not Roddy’s “meticulous research” which reveals his instability. Look at the arc of his posts in this thread. Aside from _lying_ when he said he was leaving and not returning (when he returned just two days later), his rhetoric has gotten viler and viler. He’s losing his shit and spending hours pulling up every piece of flotsam from the net he can find to justify losing his shit. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/199 "2004-02-17T19:04:45Z")
> [@](#): > > As for evidence, I would say that the well over 2,000 same-sex couples who have married in San Francisco in the, what, five days since the city started issuing licenses is pretty strong evidence that there is a vast pool of same-sex couples who, “promiscuous” or not, have formed stable relationships. Unfortunately, this is no evidence at all. Unless you want to argue that the Brittany Spears marriage is evidence that she was part of a stable relationship. Now imagine if gay marriages tended to be at all similar, and you start to see how people might think that gay marriage cheapens the notion of marriage. “Till death do us part” tends to get replaced with “until I meet someone better, or six months from now, whichever is earlier”. Gay relationships seem to tend more to the Tommy Mansfield model than to Damon and Pythias. With consequent chaos for those children they claimed they could offer a stable home, legal and inheritance issues, and all the messy and painful detritus of a divorce. Every other year or so. People argue in favor of gay marriage by saying that it won’t be any worse than the worst of hetero marriage. Is this a pattern you want for yourselves? How many worst-case scenarios do you want to play out? The rest of your post is simply waving your hands and admitting it is too much trouble to refute the evidence, so you will just ignore it, or characterize it as “vile rhetoric”. That’s not refutation, it’s simply sticking your fingers in your ears and saying “lalalala I can’t hear you you’re nasty nyah nyah nyah”. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2004, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386/200 "2004-02-17T20:29:56Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Gay relationships seem to tend more to the Tommy Mansfield model than to Damon and Pythias. With consequent chaos for those children they claimed they could offer a stable home, legal and inheritance issues, and all the messy and painful detritus of a divorce. Every other year or so. > > People argue in favor of gay marriage by saying that it won’t be any worse than the worst of hetero marriage. Is this a pattern you want for yourselves? How many worst-case scenarios do you want to play out? Hey, **Shodan**. Fuck you and your regards, you shallow, nasty, evil little shit. How many good, stable, monogamous long-term gay and lesbian couples have to pay for your perception of their relationships? Why should gay people have to be better than straight people in order to deserve the same set of rights? Not that you’ll answer the questions of course. You much prefer sniping at discussions, rather than participating in them. Pissant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-to-make-homophobia-a-centerpiece-of-his-campaign/224386.md?page=11)