# Bush & Tom Ridge Want To Amnesty 12 Million Illegals - Isn't This Treason? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 24, 2003, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809 "2003-12-24T07:28:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/21 "2003-12-24T10:33:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > \*\*The “America” that I believe in **Gigobuster** is the same one that ALL of my ancestorys on ALL of the branches of my family tree fought over in the Indian Wars, the American Revolution, the War of 1812, the Texas War of Independence, the Mexican-American War, the War Between the States, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and right now the War-to-Make-the-Middle-East-Safer-for-Israeli conquest of a few square miles. > \*\* Don’t show your ignorance again **Charles** , My dear uncle is right now in serious condition, he may die soon, but he was only a resident when he fought in Korea, we were surprised later in the 90’s when we found that he never had become a citizen. It seems that because he was Caucasian looking, there were no doors closed to him, perish the thought that maybe several of your relatives had to salute one of the “wrong people” eh? My aunt also was a resident from those days. Anyhow, after we pleaded with them, they became citizens. He was so proud to go to the swearing ceremony in San Francisco, with his old uniform, but he never had a chance… You see 9/11 occurred the same day, government offices were closed due to the emergency. Fortunately, he got the certificate later. While your xenophobic attitude may use 911 as a rallying cry to refuse any advancement of non-white people, our families saw it as a rally to work to defend America, and even risk or lives for it. Add to that that my family’s taxes will support many of your ilk later in life and we never complain about that. We fought to protect even your liberty to say your reprehensible views, but that is ok. As a citizen, I am here to tell you that you are wrong. And as I see, everybody else agrees. I guess you thought adding “neocon” to your arguments was enough to get some liberals on your side, sorry, the SDMB is more sophisticated than that. ---
**Author:** ![rngadam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/97f17d/32.png) [@rngadam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rngadam)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/22 "2003-12-24T11:51:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > \*\*The Quota Act allowed practically ZERO non-White immigration into **America**. That was a very different **America** wasn’t it. That law, the 1921 Quota Act, was in effect until 1965 by the way. And similar laws and _practices_ had been in effect ever since the 17th Century in **America**. The **America** that I and 12 generations of my ancestors **believed in** for 350 years. And still believe in. \*\* Ohhh, a White Supremacist! And one that feels threatened by low-skills workers that take the worst jobs in America that WHITE people give them under the table… How interesting… NOT. Lindberg, you stand alone in your blind hate for those who are different then you - do you realize that? You should go take a gene test, I think you would be surprised to find out that you have no 100% European origins… And very few (none?) ‘white’ Americans can claim that either. ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charles_A_Lindbergh)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/23 "2003-12-24T12:05:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Since Americans are not having enough kids, we will have to let immigrants in to take up the slack. **DreadCthulhu** If thinking like this didn’t mean the end of America, the end of Europe, the end of Australia, and the end of Canada, it would be funny. This borders on retarded. We have to let people who are as different from us as possible into our country to save it? You never answered my question…would you rather have your grandkids live in 90+% White America of 200 million people or a 40% White America of 500 million in the year 2050? Oh, and by the way, why stop the argument at the year 2050? Especially since the U.S. Census Bureau’s own numbers indicate that by the year 2099, which is closer to us than the Wright Brothers at Kitty Hawk, America will be a Third-world chaos filled with 1 billion sardines, only 10% of whom will be White? Gee…I sure wouldn’t want to live in a stable and permanently White nation of a mere 200 million people (like the stable and permanent America that we had in 1960…had we kept it) when I could live as a 10% minority in a pigsty of 1 billion Mexicans, Chinese, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Haitians, Salvadorans, Iranians, Israelis, Algerians, Filipinos, Koreans and every other non-American, non-English, non-European, non-White people on Earth. Oh, and why stop with grandchildren? Because the retarded thinking of White people in America who go along with the Bush open borders insanity will result in the PERMANENT disappearance of your grandparents’ White America. Permanent, as in FOREVER. The same thing is happening in Europe. Your TV set didn’t tell you that did it? I wonder why. You didn’t know that France is 20% Muslim right now…did you? You didn’t know that there are more Africans, Muslims, Indonesians, Pakistanis, and so on in Amsterdam than White people? Same in London. Did you ever travel to any of those glorious citadels of our people when they were 100% White? It wasn’t long ago. I was there. I remember it. Your children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren and their great-great-grandchildren will never get to see it, know it, or even imagine it! Why? Because of the immigrant invaders? Not really. No, they won’t ever get to know that world because of **you** and your **inability to think**. The immigrant invaders are just opportunists coming in for the kill on people too stupid to protect or defend what their ancestors handed over to them. The race that invented just about everything that has ever been invented; painted, composed, and wrote just about all of the greatest art that has ever been created; and was handed the rarest and most unique genetic evolution of any race is disappearing before our eyes. The White race was almost 1/2 of the world’s population within the lives of people still alive today. It is now 1/10th of the world’s population…and dropping like a stone. As the once White cities of the once-White nations become more and more dangerous zones of crime by non-Whites against Whites, as the tax burden on the remaining Whites who pay to support their new Third-world majorities and masters grows astronomical, as mental depression deepens in disoriented Whites who don’t even have any _memory even_ of what their great-grandparents wonderful world was like - White will have even fewer children. One of the most pathetic ways in which some Whites will cope with the unbearable pressure of being present at the extinction of their own kind will be a stomach-turning obsequiousness towards their new masters. We are already seeing this sort of fawning behavior of Whites who are so long gone that they seek to curry favor with non-Whites by competing to prove themselves more devoted to their own race’s extinction than the next guy. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/24 "2003-12-24T12:08:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > \*\* > **The first duty** of the President of the United States is to defend the territory and people of the United States. > \*\* To start, this is a shitty idea. The president’s first duty is to protect our freedom. If one cares to notice, we, as a nation, have regularly exchanged lives for liberty. If life were more valuable than liberty then we’ve made some shitty bargains. As it is though, the American axiom is that Liberty is more valuable than Life. And of course, criminals, even foreign ones, are not automatically the equivalent of an army. In addition, since the criminals you mention aren’t trying to overthrow the US government the whole issue of treason falls flat for lack of factual support. There’s a difference between something being metaphorically so and actually so. Sometimes, public speakers, radio personalities, and authors use metaphorical images as rhetorical devices. However, these metaphors are not the same thing as reality. This is why Ms. Coulter has not called the FBI tip line to report the many whom she has accused of treason- they didn’t actually commit real acts of teason. It’s just a metaphorical rhetorical device. An appeal to emotion rather than the intellect. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/25 "2003-12-24T12:10:26Z")
Hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charles_A_Lindbergh)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/26 "2003-12-24T12:24:13Z")
You’ve got that one wrong, **rngadam**. The haters are the invaders. The haters are the people who overwhelm and destroy another people’s land and population. The haters are the Whites who call other Whites who love their race haters. The haters are the non-Whites who hate living in their own native countries. The White folks who wish to have a White land…just as the Chinese have a 100% Chinese land, the Nigerians have a 100% Nigerian land, the Filipinos have a 100% Filipino land, the Indians have a 100% Indian land, the Iranians have a 100% Iranian land, the Haitians have a 100% Haitian land, and the Mexicans have a 95% mestizo & Indian land aren’t the haters. The haters are the aggressive non-Whites and the deranged Whites who want to make the White race the only race on Earth without its own exclusive homelands. The haters are the people who want to dispossess the one race that has created all of the modern science, industry, and medicine that has enabled the other races to explode their populations in just one century of access to these European inventions. Whites who love their own kind, as their ancestors for 75,000 years did, are not _haters_. They are simply _healthy_ and _normal_. Whites who don’t accept the responsibility to think clearly and to work hard to preserve their race’s priceless and irreplaceable genotype and legacy are very _unhealthy_ and would be so regarded by 4,000 generations of their ancestors. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/27 "2003-12-24T12:25:06Z")
You also know that many Mexican are “Euro-Americans” and “Caucasoid” don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/28 "2003-12-24T12:34:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > \*\* > The haters are the non-Whites who hate living in their own native countries. > \*\* But not “Whites” who hate living in their native countries? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > \*\* > The White folks who wish to have a White land…just as the Chinese have a 100% Chinese land, the Nigerians have a 100% Nigerian land, the Filipinos have a 100% Filipino land, the Indians have a 100% Indian land, the Iranians have a 100% Iranian land, the Haitians have a 100% Haitian land, and the Mexicans have a 95% mestizo & Indian land aren’t the haters. > \*\* You’ve a number of factual errors in this sentence. Aside from these errors, if immigrants are naturalized, they become Americans. This give Americans a 100% American land. Please note that “White” does not equal American and that American does not equal “White”. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > \*\* > The haters are the aggressive non-Whites and the deranged Whites who want to make the White race the only race on Earth without its own exclusive homelands. > \*\* This sentrence has more factual errors in it. If you would care to notice most countries have members of several ethnicities residing in them. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > \*\* > The haters are the people who want to dispossess the one race that has created all of the modern science, industry, and medicine that has enabled the other races to explode their populations in just one century of access to these European inventions. > \*\* This sentence also is wrought with factual errors. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > \*\* > Whites who love their own kind, as their ancestors for 75,000 years did, are not _haters_. They are simply _healthy_ and _normal_. Whites who don’t accept the responsibility to think clearly and to work hard to preserve their race’s priceless and irreplaceable genotype and legacy are very _unhealthy_ and would be so regarded by 4,000 generations of their ancestors. \*\* Races do not have genotypes. You are laboring under a number factual misapprehensions. If these were corrected, it’s possible that your view on this issue would change. Good luck. I hope you learn plenty in you quest for knowledge. Sincerely, Simon ---
**Author:** ![mske](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mske](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mske)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/29 "2003-12-24T12:36:18Z")
Oh the irony. If only the Native Americans had the SDMB back in the day to complain about the illegal invading “Whites” taking their land. > [@](#): > > The haters are the Whites who call other Whites who love their race haters. The haters are the non-Whites who hate living in their own native countries. So does “race” superceed being human? ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charles_A_Lindbergh)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/30 "2003-12-24T12:49:54Z")
> [@](#): > > The first duty of the President of the United States is to defend the territory and people of the United States. **Charles A Lindbergh** > [@](#): > > To start, this is a shitty idea. The president’s first duty is to protect our freedom. If one cares to notice, we, as a nation, have regularly exchanged lives for liberty. If life were more valuable than liberty then we’ve made some shitty bargains. As it is though, the American axiom is that Liberty is more valuable than Life. **SimonX** Your freedom to do what SimonX? Sit in your car in gridlock with 35 million Mexican invaders who have overloaded your entire social system? Your freedom to sit all night in a hospital emergency room behind 50 Mexicans who are GUARANTEED no-questions-asked medical care? Your freedom to pay 1/2 of your income in various forms of taxes, fees, higher premiums, and licenses to finance and regulate a multi-cultural hell? Your freedom to say and think only what your TV has told you its OK to say and think? I’m seeing a lot of that freedom here. I haven’t encountered one person who isn’t politically correct yet on this thread. It takes a lot of guts and integrity to obey your TV. Think about your grandchildren SimonX. Stop thinking about yourself. The freedom that counts is that of your great-grandchildren. The freedom that counts is their freedom to play in their neighborhood safely at any hour of the day…as I was when I as a child. The freedom that counts is their freedom to have no worry whatsoever about brutal violence in their own school! When I was a child in a 100% White American town no one even CONCEIVED of the idea of violence or danger at school. ALL of the kids walked to school…even at very young ages. NO ONE though twice about that. That’s freedom, pal. Freedom is knowing that an honest day’s work at any trade, high or low, will always support a family. That’s the White America that I grew up in. Were you there? Mom wasn’t a wage slave away from home in order to pay the taxes. A three-bedroom house on a large lot overlooking the beach cost $17,000. That same house…the very same one…is now listed at $2,000,000. That’s called White Flight my friend. That’s not freedom. That’s slavery. The poor dumb White Flight victim who buys that house in order to get away from the Third-world invasion will be working 80 hours a week, as will his childless wife just to pay an interest-only mortgage on that house. Yeah, that’s freedom, Republican style. Love that “free enterprise”. Love that “free trade.” You know what the scariest thing about this thread has been so far? There hasn’t been one person on this site who has the guts to say anything good about the survival of the White race. Either there aren’t any White people on this site, or there are some very odd ones who are real gutless wonders. Hello out there!! Is there even one White person on this site who’s proud to be White? And takes any interest in preserving the race? ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charles_A_Lindbergh)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/31 "2003-12-24T13:08:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Races do not have genotypes. **SimonX** I have to enter this sentence in the running for the stupidest statement that I have read on this thread. I’ll have to tell all my geneticist friends that they’ve been wasting their time for the last thirty years carefully documenting the genotype differences between the human races or sub-species. I’ll have to tell the geneticists at [http://www.AncestryByDNA.com](http://www.AncestryByDNA.com) that race-specific DNA markers don’t exist and that they better stop selling their genetic test that identifies race with one cheek swab’s DNA. We better tell all the animal breeders that all animals are the same, that races don’t exist. We better tell the animal breeders that draft horses and Arabians are really the same. How stupid of them to think that they could tell the difference. And how especially stupid of the farmer and ranch-hand to think that they can tell the difference every time and without fail among ten different races of horses, including the temperaments, intelligence, strengths and weaknesses of each. We’ll have to let the geneticists in on the secret that Australian aborigines are pretty darn indistinguishable from the race that produced Isaac Newton, Francis Bacon, Johann von Goethe, Ludwig von Beethoven, Leonardo da Vinci, William Shakespeare, and Friedrich Gauss…and thousands more like them! Why preserve the race that produced all of these minds? We’re all the same. Who needs divergent evolution? If only we had had our TV masters 100,000 years ago we could have avoided this whole mess by cancelling that racist divergent evolution thing. We wouldn’t have had any of those great minds, or their science, or art, or music, or any of their other sublimely beautiful forms and creations…but what the heck…who needs that stuff anyway. ---
**Author:** ![FisherQueen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@FisherQueen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FisherQueen)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/32 "2003-12-24T13:08:28Z")
I know there’s not much point arguing with a racist, but Charles, what you don’t seem to understand is that most people really don’t object to living and working with non-white people. In fact, many of us prefer to live and work in integrated situations. Therefore, your threats of a nation in which people of lots of different races live just aren’t that scary. In fact, that scenario sounds pretty appealing to me, and I think, probably to a lot of people here. You are part of a dying breed- not white people, but American racists. Your ideas are no longer part of what America needs. You might have a group of racist friends and family, but, as you’ve already discovered, the country will seem like a hostile place to you because your ideas just don’t have a place here any more, if indeed they ever did. If you are truly committed to the purity of whiteness, it might be time to try to choose a country to move to that will be more appropriate. Oh, wait, there really aren’t many white countries that believe in racial superiority any more. If you were Japanese, you could find what you’re looking for in Japan, but of course, you’d be rejected there as a member of an inferior race. In conclusion: You, sir, are a jackass. Please shut up and go away. ---
**Author:** ![mske](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mske](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mske)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/33 "2003-12-24T13:14:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > **We’ll have to let the geneticists in on the secret that Australian aborigines are pretty darn indistinguishable from the race that produced Isaac Newton, Francis Bacon, Johann von Goethe, Ludwig von Beethoven, Leonardo da Vinci, William Shakespeare, and Friedrich Gauss…and thousands more like them!** So if we can produce a list of non-white great thinkers, inventors, and artists, what would you do? ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charles_A_Lindbergh)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/34 "2003-12-24T13:29:22Z")
I would tell them to go make a nation for their own people. My love for my race is not a contest. The fact that more than 90% of everything that has ever been invented, and more than 90% of the greatest art that has ever been created has been created by European Whites is not the primary source or cause for my love of my own race. The primary source of my fondness and devotion to my own race is its beauty in my eyes…not yours. I love this race as I could never love some other alien race. Even if there were an Asian Beethoven (there isn’t); even if there were an African Galileo (there isn’t); even if there were an Amerindian Shakespeare (there isn’t)…I would still love and cherish my race above any other. I would still resent both those aliens who invade my race’s territory and gene pool and those Whites who are so deluded as to forsake their own kind, and so lacking in perception as to miss the beauty of their own kind. The _only issue_ here for me is the survival of my race. So please don’t haul out your list with the guy who “invented” peanut butter on it. If you’re White my jaw drops at your delusional state. If you’re not White…I wish you and your race well. Do the best you can in your land. We’ll do the best we can in ours. And all of you folks who want to mix it up…well you do what you can do in your mixed-up land. ---
**Author:** ![mske](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mske](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mske)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/35 "2003-12-24T13:38:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > \*\*I would still love and cherish my race above any other. I would still resent both those aliens who invade my race’s territory and gene pool and those Whites who are so deluded as to forsake their own kind, and so lacking in perception as to miss the beauty of their own kind. > > The _only issue_ here for me is the survival of my race. So please don’t haul out your list with the guy who “invented” peanut butter on it. If you’re White my jaw drops at your delusional state. If you’re not White…I wish you and your race well. Do the best you can in your land. We’ll do the best we can in ours. And all of you folks who want to mix it up…well you do what you can do in your mixed-up land. \*\* I still don’t get how the U.S. is _your_ land. Your race was not native to it. And don’t give me the “we grew it” line either. I’m white. And when I look at other people, I see a human not a colour. It is very sad indeed that you can not. And we are off topic from your “debate” - which has been proven false. So hopefully this thread will be shut down. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/36 "2003-12-24T13:42:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > \*\*And all of you folks who want to mix it up…well you do what you can do in your mixed-up land. \*\* Well, thank you very much, and we’re doing just fine in our “mixed-up land”. It’s a little place we like to call the _United_ States of America. -Czarcasm, an Irish Jew From Guam. ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/37 "2003-12-24T13:48:44Z")
It’s all gone a little ‘Stormfront’ in here. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/38 "2003-12-24T13:49:45Z")
And, of course, Lindbergh’s arguments exactly parallel- and I mean _exactly_ parallel- arguments used in the 1920’s by people who wanted to keep out those who weren’t quite white enough- Italians, Poles, Russians, Slavs, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/39 "2003-12-24T14:02:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Charles A Lindbergh \* > **You didn’t know that there are more Africans, Muslims, Indonesians, Pakistanis, and so on in Amsterdam than White people?** Of course he didn’t know, because it’s untrue. According to the latest stats, the population of Amsterdam is about 63% “white”. I’d debunk the rest of your deluded nonsense too, but frankly, I have an idea you won’t be around for that much longer. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809/40 "2003-12-24T14:04:05Z")
Charles A Lindbergh: Have you got a newsletter? Are bits of it in blue, too? Does it feature people whose love of their race _is_ a contest? With pictures? > [@](#): > > A three-bedroom house on a large lot overlooking the beach cost $17,000. That same house…the very same one…is now listed at $2,000,000. You don’t even understand what “White Flight” is supposed to be. Hint: it’s not supposed to add value to property. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-tom-ridge-want-to-amnesty-12-million-illegals-isnt-this-treason/220809.md?page=3)