# Bush Voters Nt Stupid - They Know More Than You **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909 "2004-11-09T22:18:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kel\_Varnsen\_Latex\_Division](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@Kel\_Varnsen\_Latex\_Division](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kel_Varnsen_Latex_Division)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/1 "2004-11-09T22:18:53Z")
I am sick of people saying that Bush voters are stupid. I voted for Kerry, but I admit there were things I just didn’t know. For instance did you know: Nearly 70 percent of President Bush’s supporters [know] the U.S. has come up with “clear evidence” that Saddam Hussein was working closely with Al Qaeda. And: A third of the president’s supporters [know] weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. And: And more than a third [know] that a substantial majority of world opinion supported the U.S.-led invasion. I bet you didn’t know all this stuff my fellow stupid Kerry voters. I know I didn’t know these things and if I knew this was the opinion of the American people I sure would have believed them. After all, the American people couldn’t be wrong - these non-ignorant beliefs are a mandate. > **[Opinion | Voting Without the Facts (Published 2004)](https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/08/opinion/voting-without-the-facts.html)** > > Bob Herbert Op-Ed column contends that ignorance of facts played big part in outcome of election; cites survey, which found that many of Pres Bush's supporters held beliefs about some election issues that were discredited; says focus of post-election... ---
**Author:** ![Blackacre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@Blackacre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackacre)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/2 "2004-11-09T22:22:59Z")
> [@Kel Varnsen - Latex Division](#): > > I am sick of people saying that Bush voters are stupid. I voted for Kerry, but I admit there were things I just didn’t know. > > For instance did you know: > > Nearly 70 percent of President Bush’s supporters [know] the U.S. has come up with “clear evidence” that Saddam Hussein was working closely with Al Qaeda. > > And: > > A third of the president’s supporters [know] weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. > > And: > > And more than a third [know] that a substantial majority of world opinion supported the U.S.-led invasion. > > I bet you didn’t know all this stuff my fellow stupid Kerry voters. I know I didn’t know these things and if I knew this was the opinion of the American people I sure would have believed them. After all, the American people couldn’t be wrong - these non-ignorant beliefs are a mandate. > [http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/08/opinion/08herbert.html?ex=1100581200&en=7ff66d7d08c03d52&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1](http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/08/opinion/08herbert.html?ex=1100581200&en=7ff66d7d08c03d52&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1) So let’s throw out the results? Have do over? What is ye point Varnsen? Cheers! BA ---
**Author:** ![Kel\_Varnsen\_Latex\_Division](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@Kel\_Varnsen\_Latex\_Division](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kel_Varnsen_Latex_Division)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/3 "2004-11-09T22:23:53Z")
Nt = Not ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/4 "2004-11-09T22:24:21Z")
> [@Blackacre](#): > > So let’s throw out the results? Have do over? What is ye point Varnsen? The point is we’re at the mercy of morons. ---
**Author:** ![Brandus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@Brandus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brandus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/5 "2004-11-09T23:20:04Z")
I think I’m beginning to understand the phrase _Tyranny of the Majority_. ---
**Author:** ![Steel\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/6 "2004-11-09T23:38:40Z")
And they let these people operate heavy machinery, and drink alcohol… ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/7 "2004-11-09T23:46:17Z")
Ya know, I was just thinking about this very subject as I changed the diapers and wiped the drool off of the Bush supporters that I know. :dubious: Dear lord I worry about this board sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/8 "2004-11-09T23:56:15Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > The point is we’re at the mercy of morons. We’ve _always_ been at the mercy of morons. Had Kerry won we’d _still_ be at the mercy of morons. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@Bill\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_H)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/9 "2004-11-09T23:57:53Z")
Yeah, that’s it. They’re stupid and you’re a friggin genius. There’s no other possibility, is there? I mean everybody knows that in any given contest between an idiot and a genius, the idiot always wins, right? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/10 "2004-11-10T00:05:39Z")
> [@Bill H.](#): > > Yeah, that’s it. They’re stupid and you’re a friggin genius. There’s no other possibility, is there? There are lots of other possibilities, but most of the evidence is pointing towards the explanation that a large chunk of Bush supporters were seriously misinformed regarding a) the real world, b) Bush’s policies on how to deal with the real world. > [@](#): > > I mean everybody knows that in any given contest between an idiot and a genius, the idiot always wins, right? In a one on one, the genius usually wins. Hence, the Republican campaign machine beat down the Dem campaign machine - how do you think that all those voters became so misinformed. ---
**Author:** ![malkavia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malkavia/32/5621_2.png) [@malkavia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malkavia)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/11 "2004-11-10T00:12:17Z")
> [@Bill H.](#): > > Yeah, that’s it. They’re stupid and you’re a friggin genius. There’s no other possibility, is there? > > I mean everybody knows that in any given contest between an idiot and a genius, the idiot always wins, right? Not always, just when there are more idiots than geniuses and it just happens to be a popularity contest. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/12 "2004-11-10T00:40:48Z")
“Its not his ignorance that scares me, its all the things he knows that just ain’t so!” - Mark Twain ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/13 "2004-11-10T01:07:23Z")
I fear for a nation where over 50% of the voters (re-)elect a man who gladly admits he _doesn’t follow the news_ to be their leader. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/14 "2004-11-10T01:41:44Z")
They don’t call this a faith-based administration for nothing. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/15 "2004-11-10T02:25:47Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Ya know, I was just thinking about this very subject as I changed the diapers and wiped the drool off of the Bush supporters that I know. :dubious: > > Dear lord I worry about this board sometimes. You and me both. Just think about it, folks—some of these “morons” might be driving the bus, train or plane where you are passenger. Some of these “morons” might be your doctor or nurse. Horrors! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/16 "2004-11-10T02:27:14Z")
> [@yosemite](#): > > You and me both. > > Just think about it, folks—some of these “morons” might be driving the bus, train or plane where you are passenger. Some of these “morons” might be your doctor or nurse. Horrors! Well, shit. First I have to worry about my bus driver getting snapped up in the Rapture. Now I find he might be a moron too? ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/17 "2004-11-10T07:57:09Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > The point is we’re at the mercy of morons. At least one of whom posts on the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/18 "2004-11-10T08:06:34Z")
What are you saying, **Kel**? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/19 "2004-11-10T08:42:33Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > I fear for a nation where over 50% of the voters (re-)elect a man who gladly admits he _doesn’t follow the news_ to be their leader. :eek: I know what you’re saying here, but I have a problem with people that actually believe that the Pres has to watch the nightly news to know what’s happening in the world. Does anyone honestly believe that CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN has more access to what’s happening than the NSA/CIA/FBI etc? The President has more info than any of us will ever have. When they have as much info as is available from the highest offices, I’ll start basing my world view on a 22 minute newscast, that uses much of that time to tell us how fat we are. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909/20 "2004-11-10T10:04:48Z")
**duffer** , I think Bush’s comment was that he didn’t read _newspapers_ (which I’ll take over TV anytime), but let his aides tell him what was going on. And given some of the problems we’ve had lately, I’m not sure about the “better info than we’ll ever have” idea either. A President theoretically has access to that, but he has to actually get it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-nt-stupid-they-know-more-than-you/273909.md?page=2)