# Bush voters with sons or daughters 18-25 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2005, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712 "2005-01-26T04:36:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2005, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/41 "2005-01-27T07:19:56Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > That would be cool, but I’m pretty sure some of them simply spontaneously generated in some damp corner somewhere. I suppose though that if we really needed to we could call some congregated bacteria Rumsfeld’s family… [D.O.D. on arrival?](http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/274534p-235058c.html): > [@](#): > > **Word on the Washington rumor mill is that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld will be out of a job soon after next weekend’s Iraqi elections.** Candidates for Pentagon posts are being told by President Bush’s second-term transition types that the situation at Defense will be sorted out by May. **But don’t bet big bucks** on Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz to be Rummy’s successor. The President has been known to refer to him as “Wolfson” - presumably not confusing the neoconservative architect of the Iraq war and its messy aftermath with New York Democratic operative Howard Wolfson. John Bolton is out too. Where do the neocons go when it rains? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2005, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/42 "2005-01-27T13:04:48Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > Of course no ally. That would kind of defeat the purpose of the thread, wouldn’t it? > … No, not really; look how **Bricker** lead it along: > [@Bricker](#): > > I’ll wager no Iran invasion in the next four years. No mention of invastion by whom in there. Wisely, curses. Although truth be told it’s best not to encourage bricker in those ways, it’s an interruption to the free flow of information. I think the most likely “invasion” scenario is not in fact an Israeli airforce strike _a la_ Iraq’s nuclear reactor, rather US forces in pursuit of militants into Iranian territory, as per Syria. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2005, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/43 "2005-01-27T14:14:07Z")
I want in on this action. I say no invasion. Here are the terms I lay out: 1. “Invasion” constitutes a military action that meets one, any, or all of the following criteria: (a) Military action against Iran is specifically authorized by Congress, and the President thereafter makes any sort of military attack on Iran (anything from a single soldier setting foot in Iran to a single bombing raid). (b) The United Nations Security Council authorizes military force against Iran (absent a congressional use of force resolution) and the President thereafter makes any sort of military attack on Iran (anything from a single soldier setting foot in Iran to a single bombing raid). © The President launches an invasion of Iran absent a resolution from the UN or Congress, and the term “invasion” shall constitute any sort of military action that exceeds the 60 day time limit established by the War Powers Resolution of 1973. 2. This bet ends when one of the criteria above are met, in which case I pay. Otherwise, the other party will pay off on January 20, 2009. 3. The amount of the bet shall not exceed $500, nor be less than $100. Payment will only be in US dollars. I will lay no odds. I will accept bets from multiple people up to the limit amount (ie, one person may bet $300, another $200; the next comer is SOL). 4. Any takers can email me your name, address, phone number, and any other contact information that may be important (see my profile). I’ll return your email with my own contact information. 5. No weaseling. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/44 "2005-01-27T15:31:59Z")
**Sevastopol** , so he didn’t indulge in legalese for two seconds. It’s still pretty clear what was intended. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/45 "2005-01-28T07:49:53Z")
It wasn’t that clear to me. **Ravenman** why should anyone take up your bet, when **bricker** is offerring more favourable terms? Will anyone take up an invasion bet on _my_ terms? ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/46 "2005-01-28T08:14:33Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Will anyone take up an invasion bet on _my_ terms? I think you’ll at least have to define “ally” first. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2005, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/47 "2005-01-29T04:07:26Z")
Who would win the bet if we just sent in one “Wobbly Goblin” and nuked them, and they shut the hell up and did what we “infer” we wanted them to? 😕 Or would we need the B2? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/48 "2005-01-30T18:52:20Z")
It begins: [US jets flying over Iran to spot targets, says source](http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050129-iran-targets.htm) > [@](#): > > The US is increasing the pressure on Iran by sending military planes into its airspace to test the country’s defences and spot potential targets, according to an intelligence source in Washington. > > The overflights have been reported in the Iranian press and the head of Iran’s air force, Brigadier General Karim Qavami, declared recently that he had ordered his anti-aircraft batteries to shoot down any intruders, but there have been no reports of any Iranian missiles being launched. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2005, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/49 "2005-01-30T19:21:38Z")
> [@dnooman](#): > > Sign up quick! > > Your kids have precious few months to get through boot camp and invade Iran! Thank the good lord (in school if you have to) that we now have the opportunity to liberate those heathen muslims from their tyranny of Mullah ruled hostility. > > I’m sure that there will be a “scapegoat” coming along soon, you know, someone we can all agree to hate as a nation. Blind hatred of another culture/region/nation needs a face after all. Unless that is, if it’s Osama, that guy’s one elusive bastard. We’ll ignore him for now. > > So, morality was your main reason for voting for the Bush rodeo, now’s your chance to prove that American lives are quite worth the risk of forcing a nation into our image of Democracy. Your kids will be proud to lose limbs, their eyesight, their spouses, and their lives for the glory that is “spreading Democracy”. Some call it a crusade, but that’s just for Christians right? > > When the time for ethnic cleansing, or “democraticizing” comes, be sure to pack extra body armor with your kids, cause they’ll probablly only lose one leg to a roadside bomb that way. Thank God there are still martyrs among us, otherwise, who would sacrifice many, many, many human lives for the sake of what our barely elected thinks is a “cool idea”? > > BTW, this has not happened yet, but it will. I’m willing to entertain wagers so long as they’re legal in our respective locales. Yes Bush daughters! You heartless fuckers who are obviously at the centre of daddys mess! Sign up in the upcoming draft, starring the majority of your peers. Unfortunately funding for Draft, starring the Bush daughters, was pulled today amidst rumous the script was unrealistic. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/50 "2005-01-30T19:32:52Z")
Iran is a definite possibility, since we can come in from two fronts, but my bet is on Syria. Everyone knows that’s where the WMD went, right? Right? So we have a built-in reason to go bomb the crap outa them, and no risk of nuclear “accident”. ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/51 "2005-01-31T02:48:34Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > It begins: > [US jets flying over Iran to spot targets, says source](http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050129-iran-targets.htm) My favorite line was: “The idea is to get the Iranians to turn on their radar, to get an assessment of their air defences,” an intelligence source in Washington said. He said the flights were part of the Pentagon’s contingency planning for a possible attack on sites linked to Iran’s suspected nuclear weapons programme. I’ve decided that I’d really hate to take somebody’s money as a result of an occurence that I know is inevitable. Hell, I feel guilty when I win $50 from poker. I think I’d rather the penalty for loss of this bet be posting a lengthy (500 words) retraction without sarcasm. An affirmation that an “I told you so”, was in order. BTW, the definition of “invasion” for this bet would be “Any US troop activity on Iran’s soil that is not sanctioned by Iran, and/or any ordnance purposely used against Iranian forces within their borders or in their waters.” I guess this sounds more like “military action” than invasion per se, but there you have it. I’m sure we can bicker and argue about these things later, as they happen. Who’s in? ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2005, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/52 "2005-01-31T02:59:12Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Iran is a definite possibility, since we can come in from two fronts, but my bet is on Syria. Everyone knows that’s where the WMD went, right? Right? So we have a built-in reason to go bomb the crap outa them, and no risk of nuclear “accident”. What WMD??? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2005, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/53 "2005-01-31T03:17:35Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Europe is asking the U.S. to join the talks because no progress can be made **with** us. Was that a Freudian slip? Hee hee. I am not a gambler, but I would not be surprised at all if the U.S. decided to “free” Iran. After all, they have nukes and WMD. Just like Iraq. Never mind that we never found any, the reason for invasion just changed, as it will again in Iran if nothing is found. It’s already proven that Bush doesn’t care about talks or what else Europe does. Likewise, I don’t think he gives a damn about whether the military can handle it or not. “You go with the army you have” even if it is stretched too thin, overextended, undermanned and poorly equipped. Oh, for the days when kings had to personally ride at the head of their armies. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/54 "2005-01-31T03:23:41Z")
> [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](#): > > What WMD??? The WMD that were never found in Iraq. See? They were all magically moved to Syrai and every trace of them obliterated. Gee, any time we want to blast the hell out of something, we just have to claim they have the missing WMD. Got it? ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/55 "2005-02-03T05:54:27Z")
Anybody notice the subtle Iran mention in tonight’s speech? There will be a Bush quote from his SOTUA forthcoming. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/56 "2005-02-03T08:39:25Z")
Bush on Iran, with Syria tossed in for good measure: > [@](#): > > To promote peace in the broader Middle East, we must confront regimes that continue to harbor terrorists and pursue weapons of mass murder. Syria still allows its territory, and parts of Lebanon, to be used by terrorists who seek to destroy every chance of peace in the region. You have passed, and we are applying, the Syrian Accountability Act - and we expect the Syrian government to end all support for terror and open the door to freedom. Today, Iran remains the world’s primary state sponsor of terror - pursuing nuclear weapons while depriving its people of the freedom they seek and deserve. We are working with European allies to make clear to the Iranian regime that **it must give up its uranium enrichment program** and any plutonium re-processing, and end its support for terror. And to the Iranian people, I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you. ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/57 "2005-02-03T14:53:40Z")
> [@](#): > > You have passed, and we are applying, the Syrian Accountability Act - and we expect the Syrian government to end all support for terror and open the door to freedom. I look forward to the day when the rest of the countries in the world pass the **USA accountability Act** , which holds the USA responsible for the effects of its meddling and mayhem in other countries. ---
**Author:** ![Aro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@Aro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aro)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/58 "2005-02-03T14:58:31Z")
> [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](#): > > I look forward to the day when the rest of the countries in the world pass the **USA accountability Act** , which holds the USA responsible for the effects of its meddling and mayhem in other countries. Like this [time](http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/27/newsid_2520000/2520169.stm)? Fat lot of good it did, too. ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/59 "2005-02-03T15:12:37Z")
> [@Aro](#): > > Like this [time](http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/27/newsid_2520000/2520169.stm)? > > Fat lot of good it did, too. That’s no reason to give up. If other countries just don’t bother to protest the USA’s ‘international bully’ stance, people will go on taking things into their own hands, with disasterous results for the rest of the world. Freedom should be a right which is not only guaranteed to American citizens, but to the people of every country. ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/60 "2005-02-03T15:47:45Z")
I don’t think there will be an Iran invasion. The goal is just to do enough sabre rattling to convince the Muslim world that the US really _is_ out to get them. By some mechanism I don’t understand, this will promote peace and end terrorism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712.md?page=4)