# Bush voters with sons or daughters 18-25 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2005, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712 "2005-01-26T04:36:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/61 "2005-02-03T17:20:01Z")
> [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](#): > > I look forward to the day when the rest of the countries in the world pass the **USA accountability Act** , which holds the USA responsible for the effects of its meddling and mayhem in other countries. What about the **Chinese accountability Act**? Sheesh, where does it end? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/62 "2005-02-03T20:56:34Z")
> [@Waverly](#): > > I don’t think there will be an Iran invasion. The goal is just to do enough sabre rattling to convince the Muslim world that the US really _is_ out to get them. By some mechanism I don’t understand, this will promote peace and end terrorism. Wouldn’t surprise me if we learn that George expects them to meekly submit themselves before his grand Christian purity or somesuch. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/63 "2005-02-03T21:00:14Z")
Why in the world would need to invade Iran when Democracy is blooming all over in the Middle East? ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/64 "2005-02-04T03:10:47Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > What about the **Chinese accountability Act**? Sheesh, where does it end? > :rolleyes: It ends when countries start being satisfied with what they’ve got, and stop looking enviously at the assets of other countries. I do think, though, that the USA government should be held accountable by other countries for their actions in Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/65 "2005-02-04T06:52:03Z")
> [@dnooman](#): > > Anybody notice the subtle Iran mention in tonight’s speech? Lots of subtle things happening lately: [GE, Halliburton, ConocoPhillips pulling out of Iran](http://www.forbes.com/business/commerce/2005/02/02/0202autofacescan07.html) From South Africa: > [@](#): > > [Secrecy shrouds visit to city by US supply ship](http://capeargus.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=49&fArticleId=2363778) > > The USNS Fisher, a cargo vessel operated under contract, stopped here for supplies, fuel and some minor repairs, a shipping agent said. > > “The Americans are not saying where it’s from or where it’s going and its cargo has been described as classified,” said Dave Hitchman of Gulf Agency. > > USNS Fisher is the second such vessel to stop in Cape Town over the festive season. Military sources said about 12 were expected to pass by here over the next month, as no US supply ships were being routed through the Suez Canal for fear of attack. Since when is Suez considered unsafe? ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/66 "2005-02-12T02:21:32Z")
The stage is being set. “We warned them” [http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/09/rice/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/09/rice/index.html) I can’t wait for the U.N. to suggest sanctions, we enact them, then decide that that’s not enough. Bombs away! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/67 "2005-02-12T03:06:04Z")
> [@](#): > > But Rice on Friday said that the question of using military force against the Tehran regime “is simply not on the agenda at this point in time.” Damn her for that lack of clarity! We need to hear the _president_ say “I have no war plans on my desk, which is the truth” before we can nail down the invasion date as mid march of 2006. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/68 "2005-02-12T03:17:02Z")
We are not going to war with Iran. Iran is a friend of ours. Iran has always been a firend of ours. We went to war with Iraq. Iraq has always been an enemy of ours. The War on terrorism is Peace for all. ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/69 "2005-02-12T03:28:53Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > We are not going to war with Iran. Iran is a friend of ours. Iran has always been a firend of ours. We went to war with Iraq. Iraq has always been an enemy of ours. Have you been re-reading ‘1984’ by any chance? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/70 "2005-02-12T04:09:20Z")
Nope. ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/71 "2005-02-12T09:01:30Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > We are not going to war with Iran. Iran is a friend of ours. Iran has always been a firend of ours. We went to war with Iraq. Iraq has always been an enemy of ours. > > The War on terrorism is Peace for all. We may not “go to war” with them, but we certainly might bomb some shit over there and get away with it. We don’t like other countries that can build nukes. Did you forget that we sold weapons that killed US soldiers to Iraq? We also did that when we financed Afghanistan while they were fighting the Russians. So, Iran has always been a friend of ours, tell me about it, please. Then, tell Bush that he can’t make a political point by bullying Iran. I await your cogent evidence. ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/72 "2005-02-12T09:15:33Z")
> [@dnooman](#): > > The wager will drive this thread for it’s short life, but the real reason for this thread is the fact that Bush voters are willing to support their “leader” in words and money only. If freedom in the Middle east means that much to you, send your kid to the ME to fight for it. Hippocrite. When my son is old enough to join the military, then that choice will be his (as an adult). Since when is Bush advocating a draft? Dickhead. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/73 "2005-02-12T09:43:59Z")
> [@](#): > > _Orig. by TheLoadedDog._ > Since when is Bush advocating a draft? Dickhead. No need for a draft, I’d say, as long as the economy suffers enough that the most viable employment for youth is in the armed forces. The main dickhead in this situation is the one in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/74 "2005-02-12T09:59:16Z")
Of course there is no need for a draft. I was merely pointing out what I felt to be a very disingenuous and underhanded strawman of a debating technique. The main dickhead is the one who wrote the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/75 "2005-02-12T10:04:14Z")
He’s a dickhead because you don’t agree with his politics, **TLD**? That’s your favourite term for someone who doesn’t like Bush and what he’s doing to the world? ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/76 "2005-02-12T10:11:47Z")
Is it indeed? No, he’s a dickhead for pitting GWB for something he _hasn’t done_. You guys would pit Dubya for helping an old lady across the street. Not sure how, but you’d find a way. Now kindly fuck off. BTW, for the first taker, fifty Australian dollars says no mainstream US miliatary action in Iran for five years. You may pay me in February 2010. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/77 "2005-02-12T10:19:30Z")
> [@TheLoadedDog](#): > > Is it indeed? > > No, he’s a dickhead for pitting GWB for something he _hasn’t done_. A surmising of future actions based on what he’s done already? I’d say it was reasonable to assess future war moves by the President in this vein. > [@](#): > > You guys would pit Dubya for helping an old lady across the street. Not sure how, but you’d find a way. Now kindly fuck off. Get stuffed yourself, mate. When Bush was being _unfairly_ criticised in some thread _way_ back, I said so. You seem to respond to something to which you don’t agree, with abuse. Why is that? ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/78 "2005-02-12T10:25:34Z")
No-ooo. {I’ll type slowly so you can understand} I am responding to shitful debating practice, and also to utter bullshit on your part **Ice Wolf**. If you can see me routinely labelling liberal/left Dopers _dickheads_ as some sort of “favourite term”, I challenge you to call up the cites. The fact that opposing political viewpoints exist does not bother me. When people start distorting the truth, then I _am_ bothered. And yes, I used “fuck off” in the BBQ Pit. Pretty cutting edge “abuse” that. HINT: I was being dismissive, not abusive. Substitute “oh go away” if you prefer. It’s all the same by me. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/79 "2005-02-12T10:31:35Z")
Sorry, I have seen you use the term “dickhead” before. Probably in that thread you can’t recall where the OP _was_ disagreed with his his Bush-bashing by the majority of us liberals. If you consider that “utter bullshit”, there ain’t changin’ your mind, so I won’t try. And I’ve seen you be dismissive before, and throw up the term “strawman”. God only knows why you love that word “strawman”. Especially used in this case. Anyway, I disagree with you. You’ll have to call me something else other than “dickhead” – that wouldn’t exactly fit my attire. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/80 "2005-02-12T10:33:09Z")
Oh, yeah. The “typing slowly”, bit? Been done before, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712.md?page=5)