# Bush voters with sons or daughters 18-25 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2005, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712 "2005-01-26T04:36:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/81 "2005-02-12T10:37:00Z")
As for the OP: I sincerely hope Bush _doesn’t_ make military moves toward Iran. It might be more of a prickly pear for him than Iraq, and the economic benefit he’d gain for himself and his corporate chums isn’t exactly clear. It might be more worth his while to try rebuilding his own economy. But with cut-backs reported in virtually every sector except defence – that bet may still be on. ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/82 "2005-02-12T10:39:44Z")
It’s late, I’m tired, and you are not important. “Been done before” is as good as you can hope for, sunshine. Not going to fire up any more synapses than absolutely necessary for the likes of you. Consider yourself lucky you got some mere stock file footage from the archives. Yes I guess I _do_ seem to use “strawman” a bit when dealing with the likes of you. To quote your good self (in typical patronising smarmy tones): _why is that?_ :wally ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/83 "2005-02-12T10:45:00Z")
> [@TheLoadedDog](#): > > Yes I guess I _do_ seem to use “strawman” a bit when dealing with the likes of you. To quote your good self (in typical patronising smarmy tones): _why is that?_ I’m thinking it’s all you can come up with at the time. A word which has folk wondering what on earth you’re on about. I’m glad I’m unimportant. But I still have a POV. And callin’ me “putz” ain’t exactly anatomically correct, either. But it makes me smile. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/84 "2005-02-12T10:48:46Z")
I’m glad you’re happy. And with no sheep involved either\*. As I said, it’s late. I have work at 6am, and I’m off to bed. I’ll leave you to it. Weirdo. \*Yes, totally uncalled for. A free shot. Have at it. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/85 "2005-02-12T10:50:48Z")
No worries. Have a good day tomorrow, **TLD**. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/86 "2005-02-12T15:45:44Z")
> [@TheLoadedDog](#): > > You guys would pit Dubya for helping an old lady across the street. Well she _was_ trying to hail a cab, not cross the street. ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/87 "2005-02-14T05:01:32Z")
> [@TheLoadedDog](#): > > Is it indeed? > > BTW, for the first taker, fifty Australian dollars says no mainstream US miliatary action in Iran for five years. You may pay me in February 2010. What do you consider mainstream? ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2005, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/88 "2005-02-14T05:51:40Z")
> [@dnooman](#): > > What do you consider mainstream? Not including stuff like spies, CIA, special forces sneaking across borders - stuff that every country seems to do to every other country all the time anyway. Something involving average armed forces personnel, lots of hardware, things that go bang, publicity, and CNN. And six billion SDMB threads, of course. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/89 "2005-02-19T09:23:33Z")
> [@TheLoadedDog](#): > > Not including stuff like spies, CIA, special forces sneaking across borders - stuff that every country seems to do to every other country all the time anyway. Something involving average armed forces personnel, lots of hardware, things that go bang, publicity, and CNN. > And six billion SDMB threads, of course. 😉 So, stuff that makes the news? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/90 "2005-02-23T14:53:31Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > I’ll take the INVASION BET for $100. Can’t really be sure I’ll have $200 to spare in four years in my unsafe profession. > > We’ll have to get up a running “Iran invasion” thread following the development, the political situation and so forth, like the Death Pool threads. Done. The INVASION BET as I defined above. You’re on. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/91 "2005-02-23T16:25:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’ll wager no Iran invasion in the next four years. > > How much? _checks list of SDMB rules_ Right. \*Don’t \* bet against \*\*Bricker \*\* in the political arena. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2005, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/92 "2005-02-23T18:21:27Z")
> [@dnooman](#): > > Sign up quick! > > Your kids have precious few months to get through boot camp and invade Iran! Thank the good lord (in school if you have to) that we now have the opportunity to liberate those heathen muslims from their tyranny of Mullah ruled hostility. [http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html](http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html) ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2006, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/93 "2006-01-01T22:33:23Z")
[Here](http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1135696369601) is an update. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2006, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/94 "2006-01-01T23:06:57Z")
Note that this is coming from the Jerusalem Post. This article could be anything from completely made-up to part of an Israeli disinformation campaign against Iran. Still, I wouldn’t rule out some kind of a strike. Iran is getting nuttier and nuttier by the day. Question: If you absolutely knew that if you do nothing, Israel will attack Iran, would it be better to attack first to keep Israel out of the fight? The U.S. worked really hard to keep israel out of Gulf War 1, for obvious reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2006, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/95 "2006-01-01T23:32:48Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > \*\*Don’t \* bet against \*\*Bricker \*\* in the political arena. Why not? [I never pass up easy money](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5434864&#post5434864). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2006, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/96 "2006-01-01T23:33:25Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Question: If you absolutely knew that if you do nothing, Israel will attack Iran, would it be better to attack first to keep Israel out of the fight? The U.S. worked really hard to keep israel out of Gulf War 1, for obvious reasons. Are you talking about an actual war, or an air strike to take out Iran’s nulcear site(s)? If the latter, then let them do it. They did it to Iraq previously. If the former, I still say no. We should attack Iran only if it’s in our interest to do so. If Israel wants to go to war, that’s their business. ---
**Author:** ![lonesome\_loser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c68b51/32.png) [@lonesome\_loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lonesome_loser)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/97 "2006-01-02T00:55:48Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Are you talking about an actual war, or an air strike to take out Iran’s nulcear site(s)? If the latter, then let them do it. They did it to Iraq previously. > > If the former, I still say no. We should attack Iran only if it’s in our interest to do so. If Israel wants to go to war, that’s their business. I see a problem with your thoughts. If Israel hits Iran the closest revenge targets are right next door. Are they Israelis? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/98 "2006-01-02T01:05:10Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Are you talking about an actual war, or an air strike to take out Iran’s nulcear site(s)? If the latter, then let them do it. They did it to Iraq previously. > > If the former, I still say no. We should attack Iran only if it’s in our interest to do so. If Israel wants to go to war, that’s their business. I mean just a strike. The thinking is that if the Iraelis do the attacking, the rest of the middle east is likely to go absolutely apeshit. It could undo a lot of progress that has taken place in the last few years. Think about how much effort the U.S. went to to prevent Israel from entering the first Gulf war. The belief was that if Israel attacked Saddam, the entire coalition would fall apart in a spasm of anti-Israeli fervor. I’m not saying that the U.S. should attack to keep Israel from doing so, I’m just throwing it out there as a thought exercise. What would lead to the better outcome, assuming that an attack will occur one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/99 "2006-01-02T01:50:25Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > I mean just a strike. The thinking is that if the Iraelis do the attacking, the rest of the middle east is likely to go absolutely apeshit. It could undo a lot of progress that has taken place in the last few years. Think about how much effort the U.S. went to to prevent Israel from entering the first Gulf war. The belief was that if Israel attacked Saddam, the entire coalition would fall apart in a spasm of anti-Israeli fervor. How bid a deal was it when Israel took out Iraq’s facility back in the 80s? > [@](#): > > I’m not saying that the U.S. should attack to keep Israel from doing so, I’m just throwing it out there as a thought exercise. What would lead to the better outcome, assuming that an attack will occur one way or the other. Better outcome for whom? It might be better for us if Israel does the dirty work. It’s hard to imagine that the hatred towards Israel in the M.E. could get much worse than it already is. ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712/100 "2006-01-03T05:02:27Z")
Those crazy [Germans](http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,392783,00.html), what will they think of next? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-voters-with-sons-or-daughters-18-25/286712.md?page=6)