# Bush WANTED war with Iraq? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 8, 2003, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-wanted-war-with-iraq/212085 "2003-11-08T17:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-wanted-war-with-iraq/212085/101 "2003-11-13T22:20:56Z")
[http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/09/cheney.interview/](http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/09/cheney.interview/) "In an interview with CNN’s John King, Cheney said Saddam has pressed ahead with developing weapons of mass destruction since U.N. weapons inspectors last visited Iraq in 1998. [znip] "The vice president said nuclear technicians are “still in Iraq” and that Saddam is working on what Cheney called “fissile material.” Nope. Not true. "Let me turn now to nuclear weapons. We have no indication that Saddam Hussein has ever abandoned his nuclear weapons program. On the contrary, we have more than a decade of proof that he remains determined to acquire nuclear weapons." Colin Powell to the UN: transcript [http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.powell.transcript.07/](http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.powell.transcript.07/) “Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program before the Gulf War and continues his work to develop a nuclear weapon” [http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect3.html](http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect3.html) Need I go on? ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2003, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-wanted-war-with-iraq/212085/102 "2003-11-13T23:43:50Z")
**Man of Nipples** , why do _you_ hate America so much? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2003, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-wanted-war-with-iraq/212085/103 "2003-11-13T23:56:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*Need I go on? \*\* No, you proved your point. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2003, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-wanted-war-with-iraq/212085/104 "2003-11-16T05:46:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Squink \* > \*\*Nah, _that_ honor goes to **Dogface** with his “save peace” remark back on page 1 of this thread. \*\* Yes, that’s the funny thing about Godwin’s law: the allusions to the Nazis become less and less circumspect and gradually more explicit. Often there’s disagreement as to who it really applies to. elucidator > [@](#): > > Why, yes, I have. Have you heard of Tojo? Hanged for crimes against humanity, the waging of aggressive war. You could look it up. No, he was not simply hanged for the waging of an aggressive war. If that were the charge, why wouldn’t the entire Japanese officer corps have been hanged? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2003, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-wanted-war-with-iraq/212085/105 "2003-11-16T05:53:39Z")
They were only following orders ? ---
**Author:** ![Eolbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Eolbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eolbo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2003, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-wanted-war-with-iraq/212085/106 "2003-11-16T07:40:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > \*\*elucidator > No, the principle was not that aggressive war is a crime against humanity; the principle established was that _genocide_ is a crime against humanity. You have heard of the Holocaust, haven’t you? \*\* Wrong. It was established at Nuremberg that aggresive war in itself was a crime. The Nuremberg defendants were prosecuted on four counts: Count 1: The common conspiracy **Count 2: Planning and waging aggressive war. This count was also called Crimes Against Peace.** Count 3: War Crimes (for traditional offences.) Count 4: Crimes Against Humanity [The Nuremberg Indictment](http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/count.htm) Both Bush and Blair would certainly be dancing at the end of a rope were they ever tried by Nuremberg standards. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2003, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-wanted-war-with-iraq/212085/107 "2003-11-16T13:06:14Z")
No, because in order to be tried at Nuremberg, you had to lose the war. No Soviets were tried, despite committing most of the crimes the Nazis were accused of. ---
**Author:** ![Eolbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Eolbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eolbo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2003, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-wanted-war-with-iraq/212085/108 "2003-11-16T14:40:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by adaher \* > \*\*No, because in order to be tried at Nuremberg, you had to lose the war. No Soviets were tried, despite committing most of the crimes the Nazis were accused of. \*\* No argument there. I said they would hang if tried by Nuremberg standards. Of course they wont ever be tried at all so its a moot point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-wanted-war-with-iraq/212085.md?page=5)