# Bush: "We gave him a chance to let the inspectors in and he wouldn't let them in." **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2003, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730 "2003-07-15T20:30:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/21 "2003-07-16T05:42:55Z")
So some of y’all are actually still listening to the man? What…Ya think he’s gonna start telling the truth now? He and his Bush ancestors have been pulling this shit for decades, so what’s new. BTW read my lips…😛 I tried once upon a time to inform folks about the Bush syndrome and got fucking crucified for it. Oh well, they say “all’s fair etc.” Don’t confuse or assume my anti-Bush beliefs are mutual with respect to our military personnel. I give them my full support and respect. I hope they can all come home soon. Peace ---
**Author:** ![Eolbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Eolbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eolbo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/22 "2003-07-16T06:26:13Z")
Speaking personally, it all leaves me a bit numb. I used to be surprised and outraged over Iraq, the lead up and the consequences. Now I am just embarassed. Embarassed that our leaders (and its not just Bush and not just American leaders) treat us with such contempt and regard us as dumb ignorant cattle that they can tell any old crap to. ---
**Author:** ![sezyou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b77776/32.png) [@sezyou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sezyou)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/23 "2003-07-16T06:26:41Z")
I’m sure he meant that British Intelligence learned that Saddam wouldn’t let inspectors in. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/24 "2003-07-16T06:33:19Z")
Oh, my. He’s not even _trying_ anymore, is he? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/25 "2003-07-16T06:49:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by urban1z \* > I wonder if **december** or **brutus** would even defend this. I believe **John Mace** is making a go of it in Great Debates. And Primus save us from the logical contortions we’ll be getting from **Read\_Neck** or **Dogface** … :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/26 "2003-07-16T06:55:25Z")
I thought **John Mace** was just trying to imitate a bad spin by incorporating an overly romanticized view with the same factual inaccuracy that plagues W… ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/27 "2003-07-16T07:09:18Z")
After re-reading the article, I found the problem. _quoted from the Washington Post article in the OP_ “In an interview, Fulford said he came away “assured” that the supply of “yellowcake” was kept secure by a \*\*French :eek: \*\* consortium.” (bolding mine) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/28 "2003-07-16T07:24:49Z")
Yellacake? Hell, that’s just cornbread! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/29 "2003-07-16T07:49:03Z")
Now, now. Primo, I am sure Bush just misspoke. True, I agree in the context of a series of statements this has a disturbing ring to it. But I would suggest putting it in this context, and not overly fixating on the simple statement. E.g. in the context of statements that tend to suggest Bush has a highly bounded and self-selected understanding of the universe of events that surrounded Iraq. That goes to the heart, misspeaking as Apos noted elsewhere is done by all. Patterns are more telling than incidents. Secondu, I rather do believe the General’s visit is the more important if less symbolic factual item in the article. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/30 "2003-07-16T10:34:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SanibelMan \* > \*\*Um, what? I seem to remember that your reason was that the inspectors were given too much time, not that they weren’t let in at all. Saddam didn’t keep them from coming in the country. He let them in. What kind of fucking revisionist history is this? Hans Blix gave reports to the Security Council about his progress and never said he wasn’t allowed in the fucking country. \*\* Well, FWIW, I seem to remember that the problem was that Saddam wasn’t cooperating with the inspectors, and hampered their progress. Letting them inside the borders of your country is a completely meaningless act if you do not give them unfettered access to sites and full cooperation. If you want to go back further in time, Saddam never ‘kicked out’ the inspectors either, he just refused to give them access to anything. Personally, I don’t really want to give the guy props for letting the inspectors view buildings with binoculars. “he wouldn’t let them in” can be thought of as not allowing the inspectors complete access to every site they wanted, at least, that’s how I would interpret it. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/31 "2003-07-16T10:39:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cheesesteak \* > \*\*Well, FWIW, I seem to remember that the problem was that Saddam wasn’t cooperating with the inspectors, and hampered their progress. > > (blah blah…)\*\* That’s the way you _remember_ it. Bush can’t _remember_ that it ever happened at all. Both versions are completely untrue. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/32 "2003-07-16T10:51:21Z")
\*\*Cheesesteak \*\* - You’re factually wrong and very naïve on every count, at least according to (this time around) Hans Blix and (from UNSCOM) Butler and Ritter. Clinton largely created the so-called ‘lack of co-operation’ crisis for his own Monika-related distractive reasons – note the bombing of Iraq commenced (that particular time around) the day before his impeachment hearing and ended the day after. This time around, Saddam was fully co-operating, including allowing access to all his Palaces. Whether he was co-operating ‘slowly’ is both a subjective judgement and moot. Given that there was already a pre-existing timetable, even greater speed seems to have been an issue for Bush, but no one else, including Saddam and the French. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/33 "2003-07-16T11:21:21Z")
By **Cheesesteak** : "Well, FWIW, I seem to remember that the problem was that Saddam wasn’t cooperating with the inspectors, and hampered their progress. Letting them inside the borders of your country is a completely meaningless act if you do not give them unfettered access to sites and full cooperation. " That’s how I remember it too. Like It really matters. Next election, once again I will be forced to hold my nose and make a choice. I will have to vote for the one I think is least objectionable, because there won’t be one I’d really _like_ to have for President. Might even vote for Bush, if the Dems can’t come up with a better offering. _shrug_ ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/34 "2003-07-16T11:45:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Carter of Mars \* > \*\*That’s how I remember it too. > > (blah, blah)\*\* Perhaps you _remember_ it that way because you sucked up the lies that the administration told. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Carter of Mars \* > **Might even vote for Bush, if the Dems can’t come up with a better offering.** Go the liars! Yee-Haw! Dickhead. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/35 "2003-07-16T11:54:21Z")
The way I remember it, Bush clearly stated that even if the UN weapons inspectors didn’t find anything, he wasn’t going to believe it, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/36 "2003-07-16T11:57:13Z")
Let’s see if I can get my sig to work this time. I must say it’s very refreshing to read a pit thread where everyone is on the same side. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/37 "2003-07-16T11:58:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*\Go the liars! Yee-Haw! > > Dickhead. \*\* I will, if the opposition can’t come up with a better option than they did last time. And so it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/38 "2003-07-16T12:02:39Z")
I don’t really think you’re a dickhead, **JCM**. You gotta do what you gotta do. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/39 "2003-07-16T12:25:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cheesesteak \* > \*\*“he wouldn’t let them in” can be thought of as not allowing the inspectors complete access to every site they wanted, at least, that’s how I would interpret it. \*\* So it all depends on what the meaning of “in” is. ---
**Author:** ![Sterra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Sterra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterra)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2003, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730/40 "2003-07-16T13:03:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*Go the liars! Yee-Haw! > > Dickhead. \*\* Bush being bad doesn’t make the Democrats any better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-we-gave-him-a-chance-to-let-the-inspectors-in-and-he-wouldnt-let-them-in/188730.md?page=3)