# Bush, you're not at a frat party, you dick **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 18, 2006, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036 "2006-07-18T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![mkl12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mkl12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkl12)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/221 "2006-07-21T16:53:04Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] Was Bush smart to use this gesture to elicit her true feelings? If that’s what he was going for, yes, since it worked. [/QUOTE] I don’t think so. As many posts here, even by Americans, indicated, people can feel annoyed, threatened or creeped out by by gestures like this, even if they like the person who does it. So judging from her reaction, Merkel’s true feelings toward Bush could be anything from “we’re good friends who’re just not comfortable touching each other” to “I hate that creep”. Since Bush couldn’t really have expectet anything much outside of that range, he didn’t really learn anything. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/222 "2006-07-21T16:58:05Z")
[QUOTE=mkl12] I don’t think so. As many posts here, even by Americans, indicated, people can feel annoyed, threatened or creeped out by by gestures like this, even if they like the person who does it. So judging from her reaction, Merkel’s true feelings toward Bush could be anything from “we’re good friends who’re just not comfortable touching each other” to “I hate that creep”. Since Bush couldn’t really have expectet anything much outside of that range, he didn’t really learn anything. [/QUOTE] That was really my point. If Bush couldn’t work out what she felt about him without resorting to the creepy gesture, he’s not the smartest tool in the box. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/223 "2006-07-21T17:18:57Z")
[QUOTE=Sublight] Keep the BSD principle in mind when reading **Scylla’s** posts, and much of what he says vanishes in a puff of hot air. It’s why he’s so quick to pepper his posts with insults: like he says Bush is doing with the Chancellor, he’s trying to make you uncomfortable. If he gets you uncomfortable enough to lose your temper, he wins the argument in his mind and asserts his position as the BSD. [/QUOTE] What’s funny to me is that, just as people are rolling their eyes at Bush’s behavior and thinking, “What a self-centered jackass,” they’re rolling their eyes at **Scylla’s** behavior and thinking the same thing. Neither Bush nor **Scylla** seems to think there’s any problem with that. :Shrug. So they don’t get taken seriously, and they alienate people. Their problem. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![mkl12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mkl12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkl12)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/224 "2006-07-21T17:22:18Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] That was really my point. If Bush couldn’t work out what she felt about him without resorting to the creepy gesture, he’s not the smartest tool in the box. [/QUOTE] I understand that. I’m just saying that there’s no way to work that out even with the creepy gesture. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/225 "2006-07-21T17:31:19Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] :Shrug. So they don’t get taken seriously, and they alienate people. Their problem. Daniel [/QUOTE] Except it’s our problem as well with our president doing it. Scylla can do what he likes if it makes him feel like a big man. But if our man-child president is not capable of controlling himself, his handlers need to sedate him to prevent him from hurting our country. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/226 "2006-07-21T18:33:43Z")
[QUOTE=Excalibre] Except it’s our problem as well with our president doing it. Scylla can do what he likes if it makes him feel like a big man. But if our man-child president is not capable of controlling himself, his handlers need to sedate him to prevent him from hurting our country. [/QUOTE] Too late. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/227 "2006-07-21T20:39:38Z")
[QUOTE=Sublight] This (the crap, and the post advocating it) is a perfect example of the **BSD principle** , which is particularly common among stock brokers, commodity traders and similar professions (which I believe **Scylla** is or once was in). The idea is that to get ahead and succeed, you must establish yourself as the BSD, or Big Swinging Dick. To do this, you piss on (and piss off) everyone else in the room to cow them into submitting to your authority. Never compromise, never apologize, never pass up a chance to get in a dig and assert yourself as the alpha male. Allies are people who do what you tell them, and anyone who doesn’t is fair game. [/quote] **This** would be a classic example of passive-aggresive deconstructionist masturbation. Instead of dealing with the argument, obtusely attack the person making it by psychoanalyzing them. Some people (like the former traders I used to work with) can turn it off and behave like pleasant, civilized human beings. Some people can’t, or don’t want to, and instead try to claim that ‘this is how the world works’. > [@](#): > > Keep the BSD principle in mind when reading **Scylla’s** posts, and much of what he says vanishes in a puff of hot air. It’s why he’s so quick to pepper his posts with insults: So much for that theory. Other than my obviously facetious oatmeal insult, I don’t think I’ve insulted anybody here. How many insults have been directed at me or others? Are they BSders? > [@](#): > > like he says Bush is doing with the Chancellor, he’s trying to make you uncomfortable. If he gets you uncomfortable enough to lose your temper, he wins the argument in his mind and asserts his position as the BSD. Shows how much you know. I’m not going for alpha male status. I’m just trying to compensate for a small penis. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/228 "2006-07-21T20:42:45Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] What’s funny to me is that, just as people are rolling their eyes at Bush’s behavior and thinking, “What a self-centered jackass,” they’re rolling their eyes at **Scylla’s** behavior and thinking the same thing. Neither Bush nor **Scylla** seems to think there’s any problem with that. :Shrug. So they don’t get taken seriously, and they alienate people. Their problem. Daniel [/QUOTE] No. Not really. I just don’t take myself seriously enough too worry about it, and I don’t take the offenderati seriously, at all. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/229 "2006-07-21T20:55:55Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] No. Not really. I just don’t take myself seriously enough too worry about it, and I don’t take the offenderati seriously, at all. [/QUOTE] If you’re going to jump off your pedestal and start insulting everyone who disagrees with you, you could do better than “offenderati”. Seriously, that’s just sad. When it comes down to you reciting dumb slogans from the particularly stupid parts of the right-wing blogosphere, you’re pretty much done, aren’t you? What’s next, are you going to call us all “feminazis”? Or “treehuggers”? “Tax and spend liberals”? Come on, dude, this is just weak. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/230 "2006-07-21T21:22:50Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] **This** would be a classic example of passive-aggresive deconstructionist masturbation. Instead of dealing with the argument, obtusely attack the person making it by psychoanalyzing them. [/QUOTE] Would that look anything like [this post of yours from this very thread a few pages back](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7592684&postcount=113)? Dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![mkl12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mkl12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkl12)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/231 "2006-07-21T22:37:40Z")
While the seriousness of this thing is debatable, I thought this would be the one time everybody could agree that Bush screwed up. But even here some people come fiercely to his defense, not only saying that it wasn’t a mistake, but even that it was a good idea of him. So **Scylla** , (I think you’re the only one in this who really defends Bush, but others feel free to answer, too), did Bush in your opinion _ever_ make a mistake? Is he even capable of making mistakes? If yes, please provide an example. I’m really curious. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/232 "2006-07-21T22:52:23Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] ,I’m just trying to compensate for a small penis. [/QUOTE] Yours? ---
**Author:** ![Leviosaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/439d5e/32.png) [@Leviosaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leviosaurus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/233 "2006-07-21T22:54:40Z")
Just curious - those of you responding to \*\*Scylla \*\* with such vigor - do you always react this way to people who are idly yanking your chain? Far be it from me to imply that I can read **Scylla** ’s mind, but it does look to me like he’s staving off boredom by making prodding remarks just to get all of you to react. And here you all are playing along. I hate to admit it, but it’s kind of fun to watch… ---
**Author:** ![mkl12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mkl12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkl12)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/234 "2006-07-21T23:00:28Z")
[QUOTE=Leviosaurus] Just curious - those of you responding to \*\*Scylla \*\* with such vigor - do you always react this way to people who are idly yanking your chain? Far be it from me to imply that I can read **Scylla** ’s mind, but it does look to me like he’s staving off boredom by making prodding remarks just to get all of you to react. And here you all are playing along. I hate to admit it, but it’s kind of fun to watch… [/QUOTE] Wouldn’t that be trolling? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/235 "2006-07-22T00:04:59Z")
[QUOTE=mkl12] While the seriousness of this thing is debatable, I thought this would be the one time everybody could agree that Bush screwed up. But even here some people come fiercely to his defense, not only saying that it wasn’t a mistake, but even that it was a good idea of him. [/quote] Debatable? More like absurd. > [@](#): > > So **Scylla** , (I think you’re the only one in this who really defends Bush, but others feel free to answer, too), did Bush in your opinion _ever_ make a mistake? Is he even capable of making mistakes? If yes, please provide an example. I’m really curious. A mistake? No. I wouldn’t say “mistake.” There have been times when perhaps he failed to achieve total ultimate perfection. For example, he clearly should have tweaked the Diebold machinery a little bit more in Ohio this last time around but mistake? Nooooooooo. ---
**Author:** ![Leviosaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/439d5e/32.png) [@Leviosaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leviosaurus)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/236 "2006-07-22T00:10:28Z")
[QUOTE=mkl12] Wouldn’t that be trolling? [/QUOTE] Good to know that when I’m subtely hinting that you may be flying off the handle, you react by flying off the handle. Never mind. Pretend I never said anything. **Scylla** , please do continue - it’s an education 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/237 "2006-07-22T00:16:19Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Yours? [/QUOTE] Yes. It’s very small. Why do you ask? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/238 "2006-07-22T00:30:11Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] Yes. It’s very small. Why do you ask? [/QUOTE] My mistake. I forgot, you already said that you weren’t from Texas. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/239 "2006-07-22T00:43:07Z")
Heh. I suspected as much from the post saying “The Deciderer”. I think someone has their tounge firmly planted in their cheek. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036/240 "2006-07-22T00:59:36Z")
Presumably the Secret Service is now aware that the practice of approaching someone from behind and placing your hands around their neck is an entirely appropriate, nonthreatening gesture of friendly greeting that President Bush fully approves of. So that’s a good thing, anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bush-youre-not-at-a-frat-party-you-dick/365036.md?page=13)