# bushblackout.com and Pals: What a bunch of losers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2005, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushblackout-com-and-pals-what-a-bunch-of-losers/285817 "2005-01-20T23:38:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushblackout-com-and-pals-what-a-bunch-of-losers/285817/121 "2005-01-24T22:47:28Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > The present system seems to favor the one with the deepest pockets, the best sound bites, and the best PR. Personally, I wanted McCain in 2000. Yes, a candidate being elected on **Finn** ’s platform would be a pipe dream, but rather than dismissing it as impossible, figure out how to make it happen. That candidate ain’t going to happen, and the sooner we realize that, the better when can move on and do something. Remember when Kerry stated he’d like to reduce terrorism to when it was a nuisance? I’d like the same with our President. Remember when the big problem was he got his dick sucked in the oval office? That’s the goal here, getting a dude/gal who will hook up a few business buddies, but won’t cross that line of insanity. > [@](#): > > You say that the masses don’t care, but I believe you’ve sold them short. High volume and flashing lights do NOT sell me-I mentally shut it off, just as I do those who spew venom and demonize people owing to how the election went. Then you’re an exception, not the norm, because most people don’t want to educate themselves on what’s going on around them. How many people _still_ believe Iraq had WMD? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushblackout-com-and-pals-what-a-bunch-of-losers/285817/122 "2005-01-24T23:02:07Z")
For what it’s worth I think that the right candidate can make it work, that it’s not a pipe dream at all. Unlikely, yes. But these are, after all, my moral values. And cleaving to them is more important than winning elections, to me at least. I am convinced that sooner or later we’ll get a real statesman to lead us again, and an end to blasted politicians. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushblackout-com-and-pals-what-a-bunch-of-losers/285817/123 "2005-01-25T02:23:31Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Seriously thinking about leaving this shithole. So, are you planning on leaving before or after Bush engineers a third term in office? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushblackout-com-and-pals-what-a-bunch-of-losers/285817/124 "2005-01-25T03:01:07Z")
[QUOTE=World Eater] That candidate ain’t going to happen, and the sooner we realize that, the better when can move on and do something. Remember when Kerry stated he’d like to reduce terrorism to when it was a nuisance? I’d like the same with our President. Remember when the big problem was he got his dick sucked in the oval office? That’s the goal here, getting a dude/gal who will hook up a few business buddies, but won’t cross that line of insanity. [QUOTE] The second paragraph of my previous post stands. If you want my vote, then apply your energies in that direction. If on the other hand, you don’t want my vote, then continue to produce platforms with candidates similar to 2000 and 2004. The outcome will be predictable. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushblackout-com-and-pals-what-a-bunch-of-losers/285817/125 "2005-01-25T14:01:09Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > So, are you planning on leaving before or after Bush engineers a third term in office? :dubious: Probably before. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushblackout-com-and-pals-what-a-bunch-of-losers/285817/126 "2005-01-25T14:22:43Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > If you want my vote, then apply your energies in that direction. If on the other hand, you don’t want my vote, then continue to produce platforms with candidates similar to 2000 and 2004. The outcome will be predictable. I think the frustration lies in the feeling that if Bush followers were a bit more aware of some facts, we would get their support. Now I understand that they don’t want to come this direction because there are a lot of whiny annoying people they would be placating. But you know what? This is bigger then pride, and bigger then spite. Bush is really fucking some things up right now. We’re talking some major damage that will affect us for decades, or perhaps, damage we’ll never recover from. I can’t imagine what reasons could outweigh getting him, his ilk, and his ideas the fuck out of office. We’re the less of two evils, and there’s a pretty huge disparity. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushblackout-com-and-pals-what-a-bunch-of-losers/285817/127 "2005-01-26T01:38:51Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > I think the frustration lies in the feeling that if Bush followers were a bit more aware of some facts, we would get their support. Now I understand that they don’t want to come this direction because there are a lot of whiny annoying people they would be placating. But you know what? This is bigger then pride, and bigger then spite. Bush is really fucking some things up right now. We’re talking some major damage that will affect us for decades, or perhaps, damage we’ll never recover from. I can’t imagine what reasons could outweigh getting him, his ilk, and his ideas the fuck out of office. > > We’re the less of two evils, and there’s a pretty huge disparity. The quality of the Republican candidate in no way should preclude you efforts towards putting your best candidate forward. Your feelings are just that. What facts are you going to cite? Stuff the “facts”-I read just as well as you do, and facts coming from any politician or their party are immediately suspect. Give me a platform-a plan-a well conceived plan on what you have identified as problems, why, and what you will do to fix them. You can either attempt, or preconclude that it won’t work and abandon the effort. If you choose the latter, the people like myself who are sitting very close to the fence and waiting for you to show me something good, will again feel abandoned, effectively written off by the Democratic party. Anger can be an excellent motivator, if it doesn’t consume you. You noted in another thread that it’s time to quit Bush-bashing 24/7 and get to work, and I couldn’t agree more. Again, the choice is yours. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushblackout-com-and-pals-what-a-bunch-of-losers/285817.md?page=6)