# Bushbots, since I can't ask for your brains, get yer asses in here... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2005, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669 "2005-01-14T05:24:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/261 "2005-01-18T11:56:56Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Now observe, just as **SA** has a difficulty overcoming prejudice concerning a recent war, **FA** is unable to escape prejudice regarding a particular nation state. The fallacies: > > 1. The straw man, or representing a proposition as something other than it is, in order to more easily rebut: > > - number of times Professor Cole referred to “Zionism” - nil > - number of times **FA’s** reply referred to “Zionism” - eight Hey, shit for brains, you were talking about [Zionist concerns](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=293715&highlight=Zinni). So how is it a strawman to see if the evidence you use even mentions the damn word? One of us is unable to escape prejudice and stupidity in regards to Israel. I leave that up to the Dope to determine which of us that is. > [@Sevastopol](#): > > 1. The non sequitur, or a conclusion that does not logically follow from the premises. > > > [@FinnAgain](#): > > > > Zinni says that not one single nation in the region felt threatened by Sadaam. As such, the Israelis couldn’t have felt he was a threat. As such, the elimination of Sadaam couldn’t be for Israeli security. Are you stupid? How is Zinni saying that no nation felt threatened not a logical support for the fact that no nation felt threatened and thus no nation acted out of reaction to a threat? Are you really this stupid, or is this an act? > [@Sevastopol](#): > > 1. Biased representation of evidence: Biased??? Listen you little cockroach, I included more than a handfull of quotes from that piece, probably enough to infringe on fair use. I didn’t include the quotes you chose because like the rest **they don’t prove anything**. But, judging from your MO, you’ll just insult my credability some more while putting out unfounded and untrue assertions. Good job moron. > [@Sevastopol](#): > > Omitted from **FA’s** source: Earth to shit for brains? You **got those quotes from my source**. I don’t have magick powers which enable me to go and eliminte text from a source. Fucking tool. > [@Sevastopol](#): > > So alas, be aware apparently normal, functioning members of society are easy prey for prejudice, fallacy and hence, diminished reasoning. It’s okay Sevasty, I for one don’t think you’re normal. As for prejudice [Let me refresh your memory where you said that an Israeli settler, pregnant with child, and her children, could be gunned down at point blank with murderous intent and it was just fine](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4830652&postcount=274) But please, try to paint me as the irrational prejudiced one 🙂 Good luck asshole. > [@](#): > > -None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels," said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Mr Feith’s authority without having to fill in the usual forms.(\*\*I didn’t include this because I figured not even you were dumb enough to try to bring it into evidence. Are you honestly suggesting that Israelis being cleared by Feith instead of normal channels means that the Zionists (whoever they are, exactly) engineered this war? Come now, not even you are that stupid and bigoted, are you? \*\*) > -In 1996, he and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.(**I ignored this? Surely I thought I addressed it . [Guess what? I did!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5732134&postcount=251) And you’re a diningenous piece of human waste! What’re the odds! What, I have to address this first when it’s phrased one way, and second when it’s phrased another? Fucking idiot**) > -The Israeli influence was revealed most clearly by a story floated by unnamed senior US officials in the American press, suggesting the reason that no banned weapons had been found in Iraq was that they had been smuggled into Syria. Intelligence sources say that the story came from the office of the Israeli prime minister. (\*\*Again, I figured that not even you were this stupid. The Israeli influence they’re talking about is the leaking of Israeli intel. This, also, does not prove your bigoted and false to facts claims. Fucking moron. \*\*) > [@Sevastopol](#): > > I trust the exercise has been instructive on the beauty of empiricism, the gift of enabling the conquest over one’s own prejudices. I don’t know, do you think people have realy been instructed by my squashing of a cockroach like you? I’m flattered! ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/262 "2005-01-18T12:04:39Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > There is no evidence for either: unsustainable; or undermined. On the contrary, the evidence is otherwise. As for the inspections and sanctions being undermined, once again I refer you back to the Duelfer report. > [@](#): > > How many WMD were created during the ‘undermined’ containment regime? An approximate figure will do. A better question would be how many were destroyed, and the answer is that we don’t know because Iraq never accounted for them all. > [@](#): > > I advise you to gather evidence before forming conclusions. You may consider speeches by General Zinni, the US military officer in charge of the sanctions regime. Consider yourself similarly advised. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/263 "2005-01-18T12:09:21Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > That’s so kind of you. If only you could just try a little harder…you know how it is with us conservatives. We just don’t have enough information! We all need more education in order to see the light. And it’s happening all over the country. All of us, everywhere, just need more info from lefties and we’ll surely see the error of our ways and begin to think correctly for a change. Puh-fucking-leeese!!! Oops. I owe you an apology here, **Finn**. It was late and I admit I read your post somewhat hastily and thought you were saying that your questions were intended to see if I could recognize my own faults and mistakes rather than those of the admistration and the military in Iraq. Needless to say, I thought this was a rather high-handed comment on your part. But I was wrong. My bad. I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/264 "2005-01-18T12:31:48Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > But first, what is it with you and hypotheticals? You can’t get me to say what you want using reality so you want to try to pin me down with hypotheticals? Hypotheticals are worthless. Anything and everything can be encompassed in hypotheticals. Believe it or not I’m not trying to get you to say something that I want to hear. You’ve said that the war right now is not a failure in your book. In order to get at what would be a failure, I need hypotheticals. I see no way around it. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > You’re an extrapolating fool, aren’t you? Naw, I’m a dancin’ fool! > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Kindly point to where I said any such thing. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > That goal has been acheived! Hussein and his henchmen are no longer in power in Iraq, and the threats they posed have been eliminated. > > Therefore, I have no criteria for declaring the war a failure, as I already regard it as a success! Now I don’t know about you, but to me this implies that you already consider the war a sucess and have no criteria for declaring it a failure since it is already a sucess. From that I extrapolate the future events, no matter how horrible, won’t change your mind. Am I wrong? Is the war not already won? Or are you parsing it into “war” and “aftermath?” If you are, what are your qualifications of sucess and failure for aftermath? Civil war is failure? Honest government is sucess? Meebe? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > That’s so kind of you… Apology accepted, I probably used the wrong phrasing anyways. For what it’s worth, it wasn’t even close to a jab at conservatives, or even at you. Honestly and truly from what you’ve said about the war already being a sucess, I don’t think you’re looking at the evidence to see if it’s a sucess or a failure anymore. Maybe I’m wrong, and if so I apologize. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I’m not being flippant either. The Iraqi people will have the opportunity to govern themselves. If it goes south, it will be of their own volition (both voluntary and involuntary) as a country. The alternative would be for us to take over the governing of Iraq, which I’m sure would have you and your cohorts screaming bloody murder even more than now. Okay, I guess I have to define my terms too. See, from what I understand, the goal of this whole war was to leave the Iraqis better off. So if we fail at that, we can’t dodge responsibility by claiming that once we plunged them into anarchy, they couldn’t govern themselves. And, as I see it the solution is to get UN peacekeepers on the ground ASAP and get our troops out, as well as opening up bidding on reconstruction to a global audience and not just our puppet allies. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I’ve answered this already. “Failure” does not compute. Only varying degrees of andvantageous or disadvantageous happenings. But surely enough ‘disadvantageous happenings’ constitute failure, right? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/265 "2005-01-18T12:56:29Z")
It’s not my intention to dissuade anyone from attempting the impossible with **Starving Artist** , but I do have to say that I admire all the anti-war folks who are **optimistic** enough to hope for any sort of rational thought from him. The OP used a fairly strong word, and he showed up to serve as an exemplar. I don’t much care if it is blind faith, complete ignorance, insanity, or Tom Trollery - although I think he’s a fucking moron - you’ll not make headway. How many similar words do you think he has sloughed off his downy back to this point? How many times has he reified his own in the echo chamber that is his skull? How much does he openly have to assert that facts are but liberal playthings that pale in comparison to the rock solid optimism he possesses? But if you are enjoying yourselves, I wish you Godspeed! Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/266 "2005-01-18T15:08:22Z")
> [@NattoGuy](#): > > I also assume the reader also knows that Desert Storm, legally sanctioned by the UN, was ended by a UN cease-fire agreement, which Iraq violated by firing at air patrols over the no-fly-zone. A violation of a cease-fire is an act of war, so it isn’t like there wasn’t some degree of war already going on. In reality, the 2003 invasion was a decisive end to a conflict that had been causing Iraqis misery for 10 years and should have been completed in 1991 when there was a mandate for it. > > These are all facts, undisputed as far as I know, and they justify the miltary action. I’ll be glad to change my position if anyone can show me that these facts are wrong. And I’ll gladly make you glad. Contrary to SA’s severe Kool-Aid poisoning which has already caused irreparable damage – see this thread for symptoms and irrefutable evidence – you appear to be, at least initially, a candidate for responsive treatment to the antidote. 1-First let’s take a look at the no-fly zones and their legal standing: [No-fly zones: The legal position](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1175950.stm) > [@](#): > > The two no-fly zones over Iraq were imposed by the US, Britain and France after the Gulf War, in what was described as a humanitarian effort to protect Shi’a Muslims in the south and Kurds in the north. > > The justification was that an acute humanitarian crisis made it necessary to infringe the sovereignty of Iraq in this way. > > \*\* However, unlike the military campaign to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait, the no-fly zones were not authorised by the UN and they are not specifically sanctioned by any Security Council resolution.\*\* So there you have it. In a nutshell, said no-fly zones were trilaterally imposed by the US, the UK and France, _outside of the scope_ of the cease-fire Security Council agreement. If anything, what this shows is the incapacity of said body to stop any actions and/or policies the United States wishes to engage in. Thus if it can be argued that Iraq firing on American planes énforcing’the no-fly zones constitutes “an act of war,” certainly the reverse argument is just as valid – as again, the no-fly zones were at best in a legal limbo as pertains to international law. Moving on. For the sake of brevity, I have not quoted the other two premises you rely on in stating your case for, and justifying this war. They are the conclusions of the Duefel report and the oil for food ‘scandal.’ Let’s take a look at them one at a time: 1-Duelfer Report: First things first. Consider the obvious fact that this report was written by a hand-picked, salaried employee of this Administration – he’s been quite a bit more candid/critical since his departure from same, BTW. Consider as well that the inevitable conclusions of same certainly did nothing to advance the hysterical case originally put forth by same; quite the contrary, it was a reverse “slam dunk” whose bottom line remains as true now as it did shortly after GW-I. Namely that Saddam’s Iraq, had indeed complied with the agreements signed and disarmed. I note you highlight – amongst other quotes – the following: “According to the Duelfer report, Hussein intended to resume WMD production after the inspections regime was complete and sanctions were lifted.” Let’s parse that sentence, shall we? Because, really, what is Duelfer implying in it and based on what, exactly? ESP? More than a feeling? Loyalty to his employees? How about we call it what it is: unmitigated bullshit based on nothing. How can I be so categorically dismissive of such an expert opinion? Easy, I get past the varnish and right into the substance of his _own report_. Specifically the part where _he dismisses that very statement_: > [@Duelfer](#): > > **the former regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after the sanctions** So there you are, clear as day, Duelfer is giving you a choice: use his _evidence-based_ conclusions or hang on to his faith-based morsels. Your choice. 3-Oil for food scandal. Afraid work beckons – providing antidote is time consuming ya know. But to put it plainly, it’s a “scandal” that the US knew about all along as an acting overseer of the program along with the other SC members. Was there malfeasense? Surely – hardly a surprise when bureocracies and billions are involved. No need for me to bring-up Enron [inside], Halliburton, Betchel [Iraq], et al, is there? But beyond those facts, and without excusing the wrongdoings, the real reason the righwing has pounced and blown-up (numberswise for one) on this story is rather plain to see to all but the wilfully blind: to shift the finger of blame. Here, if interest in finding out more, this recent expose by the Financial Times should put you up to date – besides I really do have to go. [US Ignored Warning on Iraqi Oil Smuggling](http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/oilforfood/2005/0113hypocrisy.htm) > [@](#): > > President George W. Bush has linked future US funding of the international body to a clear account of what went on under the multi-billion dollar programme. But a joint investigation by the Financial Times and Il Sole 24 Ore, the Italian business daily, shows that the single largest and boldest smuggling operation in the oil-for-food programme was conducted with the knowledge of the US government. “Although the financial beneficiaries were Iraqis and Jordanians, the fact remains that the US government participated in a major conspiracy that violated sanctions and enriched Saddam’s cronies,” a former UN official said. “That is exactly what many in the US are now accusing other countries of having done. I think it’s pretty ironic.” I would have used something stronger than ‘ironic’ myself but there you go. Be back later to check and see how the antidote’s working. * * * **edwino** , thanks for your reply. Will respond later. A matter of priorites – surely you understand 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/267 "2005-01-18T16:16:17Z")
> [@NattoGuy](#): > > …What should be more visible than any single incident is that Iraq’s failure to disarm or comply with a cease-fire necessitated a complex, expensive, and ultimately unsustainable system of containment and inspection. > > The sanctions regime was the real failure here… > [@](#): > > …And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq… Colin Powell, Cairo, February, 2001 So, according to Mr. Powell, as of Feb. 2001, those wretched sanctions were doing a bang-up job. The credibility gap between this and “vast stockpiles” of WMD, scant months later, has yet to be explained. I heartily offer you the opportunity to do so. > [@](#): > > …When you put all these pieces together, you see a security risk in an unsustainable, expensive containment system. After 9/11 (the cliche must be repeated because it is true) it became clear that this fiasco simply had to end, _whatever the immediate cost_… (Emphasis mine) Surely this is something you would rather not have said. “Whatever” the immediate cost? Any such cost? And what of the eventual cost? Is that value equally unlimited? What dire threat did Saddam pose, in your mind if nowhere else, that any cost, any burden, is acceptable? If you would be specific…? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/268 "2005-01-18T16:22:01Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Yes, I realized it…and I was ashamed of my country and horrified at what became of the people of South Vietnam when Carter turned tail and ran. Um, that would be Ford. > [@](#): > > “Failure” does not compute. Only varying degrees of andvantageous or disadvantageous happenings. “The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage.” - Emperor Hirohito’s surrender speech. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/269 "2005-01-18T16:33:31Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > …Either way, I’ll look forward to you being more lucid ( 😃 ) next time. Oooh, good 'un. Haven’t heard that particular pun on my user name. This week. Let me see if I can break this down into digestible bits for you. You seem eager to claim the elimination of Saddam’s sons, and their subsequent inability to tyrannize, etc., as if this were a further enhancement of our “victory”. Then surely you must rejoice that Saddam’s 14-year-old grandson was gunned down in the same action? Fact is, and obvious to the meanest intelligence, that with Saddam gone none of the rest of this is of any significance at all, you are simply pumping more gas into a fart dirigible. You then go on to claim that some enhancement in our percieved “resolve” is a bonus, a strategic advantage to be heartily applauded. “Resolve” is simply a very nice way of saying “adamant stubborness”, the kind of virtue displayed by the great tactical innovator, Geo. A. Custer. We are the most powerful military force in human history, we need rather little in terms of “resolve”, especially as regards Saddam’s military machine, which wouldn’t have won a fair fight with Belgium. And, of course, your assertion of majority support in America for our Iraq policy is out of date. Which you could have known, had you not preferred otherwise. So, you see, your suggestion of fatigue or chemical impairment is specious and, frankly, unworthy. Sleepless and shit-faced, I could dismantle arguments as tenuous as these. My dog could do it. Actually, I haven’t got a dog, but if I had, I would insist on one smart enough to lick his balls, and that’s about all it would take. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/270 "2005-01-18T16:48:48Z")
How about a trained ape? Could a trained ape do it? > [@Donald Rumsfeld](#): > > “Oh my goodness gracious, what you can buy off the Internet … A trained ape can know an awful lot of what is going on in this world, just by punching on his mouse, for a relatively modest cost.” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/271 "2005-01-18T16:57:51Z")
> [@](#): > > =FinnAgain]So, you’re saying it can’t be a failure since it’s ‘already’ a sucess. Thus, any tragedy, horror, blunder to come is not to be counted. Right? **SA** in response to the post above… > [@Starving Artist](#): > > You’re an extrapolating fool, aren’t you? Kindly point to where I said any such thing. - > [@](#): > > But just so’s you’ll know, that’s right. **The war happened. We won**. Hussein is gone. Future events will play out as they will…just as in the aftermath of every war. **Such as you mention would be counted, but not in terms of winning or losing the war.** = comedy gold! How the hell have we “won” this war? I’d hate to see what you consider losing. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/272 "2005-01-18T17:38:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > How about a trained ape? Could a trained ape do it? Dogs are best in matters of politics, they have the “pack-hunter” instinct crucial to such understandings. Monkeys, chimps, etc. excel in religious issues; myself, I defer all theological issues to the Primate of Athens. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/273 "2005-01-18T18:46:22Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > How the hell have we “won” this war? I’d hate to see what you consider losing. I think it would involve the zombiefication and resurrection of Uday and/or Qusay, followed by the election of one of them to the presidency of Iraq. The grandson would not qualify, evidently. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/274 "2005-01-18T20:18:52Z")
> [@Donald Rumsfeld](#): > > “Oh my goodness gracious, what you can buy off the Internet … A trained ape can know an awful lot of what is going on in this world, just by punching on his mouse, for a relatively modest cost.” So, is Rummy admitting that Bush isn’t as smart as a trained ape? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/275 "2005-01-18T21:07:43Z")
Well folks, prepare for the next generation of civil rights erosion. “Bush: Better human intelligence needed” [http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/18/bush.intelligence/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/18/bush.intelligence/index.html) Intelligence agencies need to improve in one particular area, he said. “Human intelligence, the ability to get inside somebody’s mind, the ability to read somebody’s mail, the ability to listen to somebody’s phone call – that somebody being the enemy,” Bush said in an interview with CNN senior White House correspondent John King. That somebody being the enemy? Could they be anymore vague? I’m going to go ahead and invoke Godwin right now. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/276 "2005-01-18T21:20:04Z")
Starving already beat you to the Godwinism… You suck. Your Pal, Sam ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/277 "2005-01-18T21:50:43Z")
Damn typos, I meant _re_invoke. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/278 "2005-01-18T22:49:38Z")
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure… Anyhow, I think my new sig is fitting for the thread. Sam ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/279 "2005-01-18T22:54:19Z")
Yeah, I was going to say it looks good on you. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669/280 "2005-01-18T23:34:20Z")
Submitted for your approval, a possible sig line from **elucidator’s** post above: “…none of the rest of this is of any significance at all, you are simply pumping more gas into a fart dirigible.” 😃😃😃😃 (And so you see, **SA** maintains his sense of humor even in the face of a shitstorm of wrongheaded criticism.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushbots-since-i-cant-ask-for-your-brains-get-yer-asses-in-here/284669.md?page=15)