# Bushco..in order to pay for our war... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 6, 2005, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602 "2005-02-06T02:38:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/21 "2005-02-08T01:00:06Z")
Dudes, the only thing we’ll see from the right in here is the tumbleweed blowing in from it. We’re _finally_ getting to the point were even the usualy suspects can’t defend this insanity. Too bad it only took majorly fucking up the country to turn them around. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Cooper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@Agent\_Cooper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Cooper)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/22 "2005-02-08T01:01:10Z")
[QUOTE=Yeticus Rex] … to ADAPT to the current events like the war… /QUOTE] While there may be some wisdom in your other info, I have to object to this part. I am sickened by how easily this situation we are in gets passed off as if it had to be this way. Like the war just broke out one day and GW came to the rescue. I’ll give you a slight bit of credit for how 9/11-\>Afghanistan “just happened” (which is debatable in itself). But rewind a couple years… and notice that they STARTED this current war by CHOICE … and AFTER cutting taxes for the rich. I could go on … It just blows me away that people don’t connect to the bigger picture when they look at something like this. That you could just go on talking about how to cut domestic needs to make funds for Iraq and the rich, without choking on the idea of how it came to be this way… And no, I won’t ever buy for a minute that Iraq was in a position to really threaten America, or barely even their own neighbors for that matter. Or that the world (specifically America) is to any degree safer today for what Bushco has done. I’d feel much safer knowing a hospital near me is adequately funded. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/23 "2005-02-08T01:01:47Z")
Bah, usual\* ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/24 "2005-02-08T01:02:07Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Waiting for you to break it all down. > all I see is that Bushco wants to cut programs that are needed for their programs. > > prove the story wrong. Well, if 28 million people need to be abandoned for your health care, by all means do so 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/25 "2005-02-08T01:06:27Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Yes, but he found over [a quarter of a **billion** dollars to _promote marriage_](http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2006/hhs.html). I would like one of our strict constructionist conservative Dopers to show me where in the Constitution it says the promotion of marriage is a legitimate function of the government. The “General Welfare” clause. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/26 "2005-02-08T01:08:39Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Well, if 28 million people need to be abandoned for your health care, by all means do so 🙂 How about some of that $250 million for promoting marriage instead? ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/27 "2005-02-08T01:11:16Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > How about some of that $250 million for promoting marriage instead? Your compassion for us to ‘fuck Iraqis’ and let them go down the gutter because you want some increased funding in healthcare is very humanitarian 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/28 "2005-02-08T01:19:30Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Your compassion for us to ‘fuck Iraqis’ and let them go down the gutter because you want some increased funding in healthcare is very humanitarian 🙂 So we’re blowing, and I mean blowing with a capital B wads of dough on some adventure halfway around the globe, yet I’m supposed to be fine that we have to tighten our belt over here? Fuck that, if it’s between _my_ kids or Iraqi kids getting an education, I say fuck 'em. It isn’t either/or yet, but we’re getting close. I could have cared less about the Iraqis BEFORE the invasion. Now that we’ve gone in we have an obligation to see it through. Please be aware of that distinction. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/29 "2005-02-08T01:20:38Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Your compassion for us to ‘fuck Iraqis’ and let them go down the gutter because you want some increased funding in healthcare is very humanitarian 🙂 It’s good to know you regard American tax dollars as being intrinsically intended for global welfare, but perhaps you should realise that this wasn’t the initial justification for invading Iraq. Maybe were your National Insurance contributions given directly to Guatemalan itinerants or perhaps to subsidising the plight of Polynesian bookbinders, you might be slightly more concerned about the direction of funding. As it is, your location suggests that your indifference is rather easily come by. It’s _ever_ so easy to advocate helping people at others’ expense, I find. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/30 "2005-02-08T01:26:13Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Your compassion for us to ‘fuck Iraqis’ and let them go down the gutter because you want some increased funding in healthcare is very humanitarian 🙂 Yes, it was very compassionate of us to spend $300 billion [to create another Iran](http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-02-06-iraq-shiite_x.htm?csp=34): > [@](#): > > A high-ranking Shiite cleric who helped a coalition of religious parties to apparent victory in Iraq’s elections eight days ago said Sunday that the new constitution must embody Islamic law. > > “We will accept no compromise,” said a statement by Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Ishaq al-Fayad, one of the three top Shiite clerics who serve beneath the most senior religious leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. Al-Fayad said separation of religion and state must be “completely rejected.” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/31 "2005-02-08T01:29:45Z")
I have the utmost compassion (I try I should say) for any people suffering around the world. The problem is that we simply don’t have the resources to help them all. We should help people if we can, but I feel that we need to scale back current aid (a little bit) and invest it in ourselves. Bush’s budget seems to support the need for cutting back on aid. I wish it didn’t have to go tha way, but that’s reality. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/32 "2005-02-08T01:32:18Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Yes, it was very compassionate of us to spend $300 billion [to create another Iran](http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-02-06-iraq-shiite_x.htm?csp=34): Fuck, I hate it when I’m right. By the time this is over, the world might have been better off if SH got reelected. Didn’t it ever dawn on you fools that someone _worse_ the SH might rise to power? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/33 "2005-02-08T01:34:23Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Fuck, I hate it when I’m right. > > By the time this is over, the world might have been better off if SH got reelected. Didn’t it ever dawn on you fools that someone _worse_ the SH might rise to power? And the really hilarious thing is, we are going to train and equip their army! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/34 "2005-02-08T01:37:24Z")
[QUOTE=KimstuBut you can still **complain** about the budget, can’t you? I mean, I thought that’s all this thread was about.[/quote] Oh, by all means complain…just don’t cry wolf for 1,493rd time, like Reeder. > [@](#): > > After all, it’s not as though Bush has **no choice** except to cut healthcare budgets. He could rescind some of his lavish tax cuts, for example. I know that there are no easy solutions in dealing with a heavily unbalanced budget like ours, but considering how recklessly Bush went around in his first term demanding drastic revenue cuts and launching an expensive war, I’m not all that inclined to be sympathetic when he then turns around and says he’s got to cut domestic healthcare. > > The fact that he **could** be mishandling the national finances even worse than he is does count for something, true, but IMO not very much. No doubt, some of these cuts could inadvertantly affect my business as well, but Reeder’s succumbing to kneejerk hijinks to every headline that comes out of the White House is old, tired and frail. The tax cuts/refund had a negligible impact on me, and I would be more than happy if everyone (including me) kicked the money back in. But I doubt that everyone else here would agree with me after that money was spent. **Agent Cooper** , I’m approaching this budget in the here and now. I have accepted the fact that the money for the war has already been spent and looking back two years ago ain’t bringing it back - right or wrong. I’ll have to plan on what to do with future cuts, and not get caught with my pants down when the time comes for future freezes or cuts. My employees and clients depend on me. My reaction has nothing to do on whether the Iraq war was a good or bad choice; it has everything to do with getting my company to survive this period of possible cuts. At least they can debate the cuts (US budget) before approval unlike the meatheads in California who usually don’t discuss the state budget until after July 1st. It’s not Bush I worry about as much as the California Assembly and Senate and possibly Arnold. But hey, I was never promised that running a business was going to be easy. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/35 "2005-02-08T01:38:24Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > And the really hilarious thing is, we are going to train and equip their army! :smack: \ /moving out of NYC 😛 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/36 "2005-02-08T01:42:01Z")
> [@Yeticus Rex](#): > > I have accepted the fact that the money for the war has already been spent and looking back two years ago ain’t bringing it back - right or wrong. This isn’t true though, he’ll be asking for another $80 Billion very soon, which isn’t even included in his budget. It won’t be the last time he asks for more money regarding Iraq. It’s a total money hole. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/37 "2005-02-08T02:02:17Z")
No, the really hilarious thing is: _it ain’t the first time!_ > [@Fear Itself](#): > > And the really hilarious thing is, we are going to train and equip their army! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/38 "2005-02-08T02:05:02Z")
[quote] No doubt, some of these cuts could inadvertantly affect my business as well, but Reeder’s succumbing to kneejerk hijinks to every headline that comes out of the White House > [@](#): > > is old, tired and frail. Kneejerk? Are you saying bush doesn’t want to cut health programs? Fuck you you asshole. Might I suggest you take what you have and leave? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/39 "2005-02-08T02:29:16Z")
Come now, **Reeder** , he’s not cutting _everything._ For example, Bush is _increasing_ the copayment costs for veterans’ meds. As a veteran, I know I’m just pleased as punch about this. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/40 "2005-02-08T02:40:20Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Come now, **Reeder** , he’s not cutting _everything._ For example, Bush is _increasing_ the copayment costs for veterans’ meds. As a veteran, I know I’m just pleased as punch about this. You just gotta love how they support the troops just as long as the are in position to die for their wars. The don’t give a crap about dying for any other reason. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602.md?page=3)