# Bushco..in order to pay for our war... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 6, 2005, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602 "2005-02-06T02:38:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/41 "2005-02-08T02:43:25Z")
Interesting read… [http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-wvets06.html](http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-wvets06.html) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/42 "2005-02-08T03:59:21Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Come now, **Reeder** , he’s not cutting _everything._ For example, Bush is _increasing_ the copayment costs for veterans’ meds. As a veteran, I know I’m just pleased as punch about this. So your copayments are going from $7 to $15 for a month’s supply of drugs? And you find this unreasonable somehow? Do you even know what the rest of us are paying? Not to mention the fact that the only way you’ll be affected by this proposal is if your condition isn’t service related and your income is sufficiently high. From [this press release:](http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/02-07-2005/0002984290&EDATE=) > [@](#): > > FY '06 Budget Highlights for Legislative Proposals > The President’s 2006 budget includes legislative proposals that will > further ensure VA is able to care for those veterans who count on it the most. > The proposals include: > > ``` > * ending all copayments for former prisoners of war; > > * ending copayments for hospice care; > > * authorizing VA to pay for emergency room care or urgent care for > enrolled veterans in non-VA medical facilities; > > * allowing more resources to be devoted to the homeless providers grant > and per diem program; > > * establishing a priority system for veterans receiving care in state > veterans homes; > > * increasing pharmacy copayments from $7 to $15 for a 30-day supply of > drugs; and* > > * establishing an annual enrollment fee of $250.* > * These proposals ask that non-disabled, higher income veterans > > ``` > > (Priority 7 and 8 veterans) assume a small share of the cost of their health > care, in line with amounts required of military retirees who have served at > least 20 years in uniform or who were retired early due to service-related > disabilities. Under no circumstances will a veteran make a copayment of any > kind for the treatment of a service connected condition. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/43 "2005-02-08T04:05:34Z")
Then I take you believe there should be a means test for medicare? ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/44 "2005-02-08T04:07:09Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Yes, it was very compassionate of us to spend $300 billion [to create another Iran](http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-02-06-iraq-shiite_x.htm?csp=34): I’ve been over this a million times, I’ll even bet you 100 dollars it _won’t_ ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/45 "2005-02-08T04:11:04Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > I’ve been over this a million times, I’ll even bet you 100 dollars it _won’t_ Please explain how you think it won’t. It’s what the winners want. We gonna spank them or what? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/46 "2005-02-08T04:22:37Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > I’ve been over this a million times, I’ll even bet you 100 dollars it _won’t_ **Ryan** , you should know that hunches don’t cut it around here. Please present cites and _evidence_ to support your position. _Why_ wont it? ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/47 "2005-02-08T04:27:07Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > So your copayments are going from $7 to $15 for a month’s supply of drugs? And you find this unreasonable somehow? Do you even know what the rest of us are paying? > > Not to mention the fact that the only way you’ll be affected by this proposal is if your condition isn’t service related and your income is sufficiently high. No, you’re missing **Reeder’s** point, such as it is. Bush proposed it, so it’s EVILLLLL!!! ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/48 "2005-02-08T04:29:32Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > No, you’re missing **Reeder’s** point, such as it is. Bush proposed it, so it’s EVILLLLL!!! No, _you’re_ missing the point. In the big picture this budget affects more people negatively then positively. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/49 "2005-02-08T04:33:35Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > No, _you’re_ missing the point. In the big picture this budget affects more people negatively then positively. Let him rant. He needs to use those kleenex he bought to wipe the drool from his lips. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/50 "2005-02-08T04:41:49Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > No, _you’re_ missing the point. In the big picture this budget affects more people negatively then positively. Wait a minute, for four years people have been complaining about the deficit, and now Bush is proposing to reduce it. And you’re going to criticize him for that, too? Are you another **Reeder**? ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/51 "2005-02-08T04:42:21Z")
Please read. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6920681/site/newsweek/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6920681/site/newsweek/) ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/52 "2005-02-08T04:44:21Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Wait a minute, for four years people have been complaining about the deficit, and now Bush is proposing to reduce it. And you’re going to criticize him for that, too? > > Are you another **Reeder**? Listen you foam mouthed idiot. He’s proposing to lower it on the backs of the poor. That’s ok with you? ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/53 "2005-02-08T04:51:24Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > **Ryan** , you should know that hunches don’t cut it around here. Please present cites and _evidence_ to support your position. > > _Why_ wont it? The Kurds, for one reason, wouldn’t allow it. Secondly, since Kurds and the Arabs which aren’t shia, both share the same Sunni identity, the Shia will be forced into a compromise of accomodating them both. Theocracy based on Shia tenets wouldn’t work. It would be absolutely rejected, besides, like people seem to be over looking Sistani is a rival of Khomenism, and sees the system of theocracy in Iran a total failure. As for the law being derivative from Islam, I see no problem for this, it merely provides a basis for the constitution which they can follow, there’s already a law stating that the rules of government cannot contradict Islam, so this being said isn’t anything threatening. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/54 "2005-02-08T04:53:46Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > He’s proposing to lower it on the backs of the poor. Which do you want him to do, lower the deficit, or cut services? ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/55 "2005-02-08T04:55:16Z")
Ahh. I see you think that all will be worked out peacefully over a cup of tea. You really don’t know much of the history of the region do you? ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/56 "2005-02-08T04:56:29Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Which do you want him to do, lower the deficit, or cut services? I want him to stop spending billions on an illegal war. You didn’t answer my question. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/57 "2005-02-08T04:57:36Z")
Come on, **Reeder** , just admit it. You just live for the day your last rant drops off the front page, don’t you? Not to mention, you more than likely silently thank whatever twisted gods you pray to that GW was reelected, giving fuel to your GW fetishism. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/58 "2005-02-08T04:58:38Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > I want him to stop spending billions on an illegal war. So we should just cut and run, leaving Iraq in chaos. Well, that’s awfully nice of you. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/59 "2005-02-08T04:58:48Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Wait a minute, for four years people have been complaining about the deficit, and now Bush is proposing to reduce it. And you’re going to criticize him for that, too? > > Are you another **Reeder**? Huh? I’m pissed because Bush ballooned the fucking thing up, and now he’s cutting some important things in order to clean up his own mess. I’m further incensed because we’re spending money around the world, but not here. He’s pledging $250 million to the Palestinians, which is nice, but if we need to trim the fat, trim that first. I say fuck 'em. It’s a tricky stance because one comes off sounding like some racist asshole or something which in my case couldn’t be further from the truth. There is _only_ so much money to go around, and if we need to tighten the belt there are some other countries I’d prefer “make do”. If we have the resources, I’m all for helping anyone we can, but it looks like our resources are dwindling, and if that’s the case, I suggest focusing on ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2005, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602/60 "2005-02-08T05:00:02Z")
Ahh…brother brutus. Just another pass by. Nothing to add. It looks good on you Brutus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushco-in-order-to-pay-for-our-war/288602.md?page=4)