# Bushies admit they "advocate retreat and defeat in the face of terror"! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2004, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226 "2004-09-21T01:43:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/21 "2004-09-21T21:28:33Z")
Go easy on Bush, **RT.** You know he simply reads whatever’s in front of him, without any thought for whether or not it makes sense. If Karl Rove was working for the Kerry campaign, the first thing he’d do is get an operative to work Bush’s teleprompter… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/22 "2004-09-21T22:39:20Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Speaking for myself, I wouldn’t vote for Bush even under threat of teabagging a wolverine, but I gotta say, I’m pretty fucking sick of these stupid little Bushco-type shots. They lower the tone of the debate and make it impossible to take seriously either the argument or, more importantly, its source Why don’t you guys get tough with the people who use “flip-flopper”? (and it’s being used _constantly_) Doesn’t this term “lower the tone of the debate and make it impossible to take seriously either the argument or, more importantly, its source”? Or do you consider “flip-flopper” a sophisticated term? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/23 "2004-09-21T22:46:17Z")
I’m a flip-flopper. Often, zoriis are much handier than hiking boots. ---
**Author:** ![pervert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbe5ce/32.png) [@pervert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pervert)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/24 "2004-09-22T05:22:26Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > You cannot simultaneously accuse your opponent of having a shitty policy and of slavishly copying your own policy. Not without implying that your own policy is in fact, shitty. Unless your opponents policy changes so fast that it is possible you are talking about two different ones? could be just me. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/25 "2004-09-23T00:22:14Z")
> [@pervert](#): > > Unless your opponents policy changes so fast that it is possible you are talking about two different ones? could be just me. Could be. In fact, unless you can provide for-instances, complete with citations, we’ll _assume_ it’s just you, mindlessly repeating some spinmeister. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/26 "2004-09-23T01:20:14Z")
> [@Necro Romancer](#): > > Oh, you’re just angry because they’ve gone stale. Here, I made some new ones, just for you guys! > > Bushwaffe - HaBushan - Bushinni - Angry Bush Mainyu. > > Well, _I_ think they’re good. I like Bushstapo. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/27 "2004-09-23T01:25:14Z")
Can’t beat the Japanese when it comes to succinct poetics. The verb for barfing in the Prime Ministers lap is to _busharu_. Still, gotta go with Bushiviks. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/28 "2004-09-23T01:31:33Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I like Bushstapo. I understand the certain vibe you are going for with ‘Bushtapo’, but it sounds way too much like ‘El Guapo’, which isn’t much of a insult for us players. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/29 "2004-09-23T12:23:03Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > So **RTFirefly** purportedly has a Phd in something? And these posts are what he comes up with? Color me unimpressed. Hmm…I wonder if **Brutus** will ever break the one-line barrier. Line #2. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/30 "2004-09-23T21:36:33Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > So **RTFirefly** purportedly has a Phd in something? And these posts are what he comes up with? Color me unimpressed. Amazingly enough, I haven’t been able to sustain that peak intellectual level in every post I write here. 😃 Since it’s come up a coupla times lately, yes, I earned a doctorate in math, a decade or so back. But it’s been awhile now since I was a practicing mathematician, and unless a math question is in my specialty field (graph theory and combinatorics), I’m happy to see **Orbifold** or **ultrafilter** or any of several other more mathematically adept posters here handle it; they can run rings around me, most days. Not that it matters much. Aside from times when expertise in a particular field is germane to a debate, degrees don’t matter much here. If you can cite facts and make solid arguments, it doesn’t matter whether you’re a Ph.D. from Hahvahd or a high-school dropout. And the Ph.D. won’t save your butt around here if you can’t. As far as what I do now, **iampunha** was in the right ballpark. I’m a government statistician, but don’t make too much of that, either. One can qualify for the job with only six hours of stats courses above the freshman level, as long as one has a boatload of math to go along with it. And that’s pretty much my story. I’ve learned a bit of statistics on the job, but most of what I do doesn’t require a solid stats background, so much as it requires the ability to research the occasional problem when the job demands it. Anyone who’s got a bachelor’s in stats from an accredited college undoubtedly knows more statistics than I do. I don’t know why the recent curiosity about my credentials in threads that have nothing to do with math or stats, but there they are, if anyone really cares. Right now, I sure don’t. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/31 "2004-09-23T22:18:27Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > How about “the Bush administration”? I favor Team Bush. It’s inclusive and descriptive. ---
**Author:** ![EvilGhandi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@EvilGhandi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilGhandi)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/32 "2004-09-24T09:21:17Z")
If I ruled the world (and god knows nobody wants that) any one who refered to George Bush by anything but, President Bush, George Bush or Mr. Bush would suffer testicular humilation that would put Iraqi prison camps to shame. Same goes for people who woud refer to Senator John Kerry as anything but Mr. Kerry, Senator Kerry or Presidential candidate Kerry. While I am at it I prefer to be called His high exalted master, or simply snookums. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/33 "2004-09-24T12:21:39Z")
> [@SimonX](#): > > I favor Team Bush. It’s inclusive and descriptive. Anyone else picture Puddy with his chest painted (‘Bush’ in red, naturally) saying, “Gotta support the team.”? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226/34 "2004-09-24T14:05:24Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > I understand the certain vibe you are going for with ‘Bushtapo’, but it sounds way too much like ‘El Guapo’, which isn’t much of a insult for us players. Unless, of course, you’re referring to Rich Garces. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushies-admit-they-advocate-retreat-and-defeat-in-the-face-of-terror/265226.md?page=1)