# Bush's Strategy for Victory in Iraq **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2007, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500 "2007-01-03T02:22:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/1 "2007-01-03T02:22:48Z")
Step 1: Surge troops into Iraq. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Victory! [Lest you think I’m joking.](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6224047.stm) > [@](#): > > In his speech expected next week, President Bush will announce a short-term increase in US soldiers in Iraq. > > **Their exact mission is still under discussion** , but it is likely to focus on providing security rather than training Iraqi forces, the BBC’s Justin Webb reports. _(emphasis mine)_ IOW, we’ll be doing _something_, without actually doing anything meaningful. Unless, of course, you think that killing more US soldiers and Iraqs for some undefined purpose is meaningful. What does the general in charge of US forces in Iraq think? [It doesn’t matter, because he’s apparently going to be out of a job soon.](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/washington/02war.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1167714000&en=8932d7287f579368&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin) > [@](#): > > And now, as the image of Saddam Hussein at the gallows recedes, Mr. Bush seems all but certain not only to reverse the strategy that General Casey championed, but also to accelerate the general’s departure from Iraq, according to senior military officials. As for the Iraqi opinion on the matter, I think [this BBC article sums it up best:](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6215005.stm) > [@](#): > > More and more Iraqis are not staying around to find out if this US and British experiment is going to work. > > As a friend told me recently, “Every conversation I have now starts with talk about the best way to get out.” Come on, True Believers of Bushco, show me exactly how the _fuck_ this is going to work. I want to know exactly what it is that the Deciderer has cooked up with this scheme and how it’s going to end this fucking _stupid_ war. I don’t want to hear platitudes of, “Just wait and see.” or “If you _weren’t_ listening to the liberal media, you’d understand how this would work.” I _want_ the goddamned military strategy behind this. I’ve read Sun Tzu, Patton, von Mellathin, and others, so I can grasp military strategy quite well, thank you. Give it to me. Tell me, oh wise ones, how the _fuck_ this _isn’t_ going to lead to more dead Americans and Iraqis with _no_ end to the bloodshed in sight. If you’ve got the balls to stand behind the President, then _now’s_ the time to show 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/2 "2007-01-03T03:20:23Z")
This is only about the 5th thread in the past week daring Bush supporters to come out and play. Has it occurred to you yet that with few exceptions they have either completely changed their minds, they have been chased away from here, or they are wisely choosing to remain silent? Anyway, on to your main point, minus the baiting: it is absolutely uncanny how this war resembles Vietnam. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/3 "2007-01-03T03:42:08Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] Has it occurred to you yet that with few exceptions they have either completely changed their minds, they have been chased away from here, or they are wisely choosing to remain silent? . [/QUOTE] I don’t think you can remind them (us?) too often of how wrong they were to have given Bush a scintilla of support for his murderous rampage. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/4 "2007-01-03T03:47:18Z")
[**Quartz** was at least willing to admit he was backing the war even if he wasn’t willing to back up his assertations that things were better the media portrayed.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=400548) Nor do I think that there’s anything “wise” about them keeping silent. If you’re going to back a cause that has gotten 3K+ Americans killed, and when someone challenges you on your belief, run and hide, that pretty much makes you a coward, doesn’t it? Certainly cheapens the value of those lives lost, if you’re not willing to voice your opinion on the matter, and _your_ opinion is that they are fighting and dying to protect our freedom of speech. If you can’t handle having someone criticize your beliefs, then maybe you should stay the fuck out of politics (including _not_ voting). Oh, hell, there’s **no** “maybe” about it, you **should** stay the fuck out of politics. Especially when it comes to sending people off to die. That this war is starting to resemble Vietnam lies solely at the feet our President, since he’s the one who botched it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/5 "2007-01-03T03:54:14Z")
Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to make the rest of us repeat it. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/6 "2007-01-03T03:55:30Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] That this war is starting to resemble Vietnam lies solely at the feet our President, since he’s the one who botched it. [/QUOTE] Well geeze, that’s a little unfair, how was Bush supposed to know what Vietnam was like? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/7 "2007-01-03T04:23:26Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Nor do I think that there’s anything “wise” about them keeping silent. If you’re going to back a cause that has gotten 3K+ Americans killed, and when someone challenges you on your belief, run and hide, that pretty much makes you a coward, doesn’t it? [/QUOTE] I wouldn’t go so far as to say that. Only a fool stands in front of a firing squad and dares them to shoot. Especially here. Any person who has the temerity to say anything even remotely positive about President Bush gets savaged, so there doesn’t seem to be much point to it. Not that there’s all that much to say that is positive, but if I felt that way I certainly wouldn’t say something and open myself up to a beating. That’s not cowardice, that’s just common sense. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/8 "2007-01-03T04:27:24Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] I wouldn’t go so far as to say that. Only a fool stands in front of a firing squad and dares them to shoot. Especially here. Any person who has the temerity to say anything even remotely positive about President Bush gets savaged, so there doesn’t seem to be much point to it. Not that there’s all that much to say that is positive, but if I felt that way I certainly wouldn’t say something and open myself up to a beating. That’s not cowardice, that’s just common sense. [/QUOTE] fuck. for fucking YEARS we got called traitors and fucking worse. and you were fucking WRONG. bite me. really. my only regret is that the fucker who led YOU into this mess will go to his grave believing that history will exonerate him, intead of seeing him as the fucking criminal he is. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/9 "2007-01-03T04:37:10Z")
[QUOTE=wring] fuck. for fucking YEARS we got called traitors and fucking worse. and you were fucking WRONG. bite me. really. my only regret is that the fucker who led YOU into this mess will go to his grave believing that history will exonerate him, intead of seeing him as the fucking criminal he is. [/QUOTE] Why are you going after me? I’m simply explaining why calling out Bush supporters like the OP did is pointless. I long ago admitted that I was wrong. I took my beatings publicly. I’m well beyond that now, as I’m sure you already know. It’s obvious that you have some anger seething just below the surface, but I am at a loss as to why you’re choosing to take it out on someone who confessed his sins long ago. As for the traitor thing, we did this last week and nobody is able to post a cite that anybody on the SDMB called anybody else a traitor (or worse). I’m sorry if you were called one in real life, but it probably didn’t happen here, unlike when I was called a murderer, both in real life and on the SDMB. I would much rather have been called a traitor, trust me. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/10 "2007-01-03T04:38:58Z")
[QUOTE=pseudotriton ruber ruber] I don’t think you can remind them (us?) too often of how wrong they were to have given Bush a scintilla of support for his murderous rampage. [/QUOTE] At the golf course today I got a lesson on why some people support GW. The subject of the election came up and a Mr. Average said that the Democrats would raise his taxes. Nothing at all about the election being a repudiation of the war. Nothing about the war at all. Just that GW cut his taxes and that was enough for him. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/11 "2007-01-03T04:39:08Z")
[QUOTE=wring] fuck. for fucking YEARS we got called traitors and fucking worse. and you were fucking WRONG. bite me. really. my only regret is that the fucker who led YOU into this mess will go to his grave believing that history will exonerate him, intead of seeing him as the fucking criminal he is. [/QUOTE] Easy. **Airman** has been very proper, candid and forthright on this board about where he stood then and where he stands now and why. Casting him as one of the people **Tuckerfan** is angrily calling out ( rightly or wrongly ) isn’t fair IMHO. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/12 "2007-01-03T04:41:57Z")
glad you finally admitted you were wrong in your support of that asshole- but it’s time you stop fucking appologizing for the rest who’ve not bothered. that’s why. if the words "you, wring, are a traitor’ never appeared, so the fuck what. often enough it was ‘you support Saddam, Saddam lover, you’re supporting the terrorists’ etc. you supported Bush. you’ve since recanted, good on you. the others who continue to stay silent, even when he’s about to send more to the slaughter can go fuck themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/13 "2007-01-03T04:59:22Z")
[QUOTE=David Simmons] At the golf course today I got a lesson on why some people support GW. The subject of the election came up and a Mr. Average said that the Democrats would raise his taxes. Nothing at all about the election being a repudiation of the war. Nothing about the war at all. Just that GW cut his taxes and that was enough for him. [/QUOTE] **David** , I know you are far too much of a gentleman to actually have done this, but I think that I would have “explained” things to him with a 9 iron. I was shocked when my father and step-mother, who are both died in the wool Republicans, started saying Bush was an idiot and admitted voting Democrat in the last election. When I was a kid, they both used to complain about Dems raising taxes. ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/14 "2007-01-03T06:06:47Z")
The oil makes it a bit worse than Vietnam. Also the complaining is revolting. Did you read the news back in 2002 & 3. ---
**Author:** ![Bob55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Bob55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob55)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/15 "2007-01-03T06:46:20Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Step 1: Surge troops into Iraq. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Victory! [/QUOTE] Step 2 is Zerg Rush! It worked for the Russians in WWII at least… ---
**Author:** ![clayton\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c57346/32.png) [@clayton\_e](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clayton_e)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/16 "2007-01-03T09:44:40Z")
[QUOTE=wring] for fucking YEARS we got called traitors and fucking worse. and you were fucking WRONG. [/QUOTE] How 'bout an order of freedom fries all 'round? Anybody? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/17 "2007-01-03T11:08:28Z")
[QUOTE=wring] for fucking YEARS we got called traitors and fucking worse. [/QUOTE] No, no. That was _traders_. It’s that damned American aspirated voiceless alveolar plosive. It’s caused more trouble… ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/18 "2007-01-03T12:11:16Z")
Hats off to Doors for changing his viewpoint and admitting it. How many of us are willing to do so? Let’s hope that we can begin to disagree without questioning each other’s patriotism. I’m not interested in apologies from those who called us traitors, I am interested in making sure that hyper-patriotism doesn’t again stifle civil liberties. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/19 "2007-01-03T13:09:47Z")
> [@](#): > > I was shocked when my father and step-mother, who are both **died in the wool** Republicans The expression is, I think, **dyed in the wool**. This formulation seems a bit macabre, under the circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500/20 "2007-01-03T13:24:36Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] As for the traitor thing, we did this last week and nobody is able to post a cite that anybody on the SDMB called anybody else a traitor (or worse). [/QUOTE] What complete bullshit! **Kimstu** did just fine [dredging up some shit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8100005&postcount=137) from one of the biggest cunts around. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bushs-strategy-for-victory-in-iraq/386500.md?page=2)