# Busty 13 year old booted from HS Grad for showing too much cleavage. Is her dress OK? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 15, 2004, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236 "2004-05-15T05:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/21 "2004-05-15T12:13:04Z")
She could also be developing early. A friend of mine was rather busty by age 12, and got teased by all the boys, but we more or less caught up with her by high school. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/22 "2004-05-15T13:09:55Z")
I had expected some idiot mom and harlot daughter to be prancing around in a dress inappropriate for a jr hs graduation. Apparently I’ve grown cynical. The dress seemed fine, and it wasn’t like boobs were busting out. The daughter seemed well-grounded, and the mother seemed very nice as well. There was nothing inappropriate about the daughter’s dress. It looked nice and very dignified. The school in question has a lot of splaining to do. ---
**Author:** ![Cub\_Mistress](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea666f/32.png) [@Cub\_Mistress](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cub_Mistress)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/23 "2004-05-15T13:09:57Z")
I was that busty by age 13, too. That dress would have been a problem in my school system. We even have two female teachers assigned to judge what I call “cleavage compliance.” (I also tease them about being the Fashion Police.) People know what the rules are and shoudn’t complain when they are called on the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/24 "2004-05-15T13:20:27Z")
> [@zuma](#): > > There was nothing inappropriate about the daughter’s dress. It looked nice and very dignified. The school in question has a lot of splaining to do. They apparently “splained”, before the graduation, that there was to be _no_ cleavage showing. The dress in question shows cleavage. I personally don’t think it looks indecent or slutty, but there is unquestionably cleavage revealed so by the standards the school set in advance for the graduation it was inappropriate. ---
**Author:** ![janiejungletemptress](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecae2f/32.png) [@janiejungletemptress](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/janiejungletemptress)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/25 "2004-05-15T14:18:54Z")
She is 13 for crying out loud. Not appropriate. I am 24. I am rather busty. Should I choose to wear it, then it is fine. Let’s also keep in mind…parochial school…CATHOLIC parochial school. I went to a Catholic parochial school through 8th grade. While a lot of Catholics can be rather prude, they do have their guidlines and should be followed. A busty girl (lets keep in mind she is a girl) can find clothing to make her feel like a young woman while maintaining a decent standard for her Catholic school guidlines. Otherwise I am a proponent of cleavage. I think it is one of the best things that my Maker bestowed upon me. Boys seem to think so too. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/26 "2004-05-15T14:32:46Z")
When I got married in the Catholic church (first time) I was warned by the priest that if I showed up in a dress too revealing, they’d shut the production down. That parish had done that in the past - 200 guests show up and no wedding because the gown was too revealing for church. The girl’s dress is not, in my mind, too revealing for a thirteen year old. But, contrary to what she says, it is tight, it is sexy - and I don’t get to make the decisions for the school. Presumably, all her other classmates were able to find dresses that were appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/27 "2004-05-15T14:41:03Z")
Reminds me of a couple I knew who were refused entry to San Marco, Venice, because her shorts revealed her knees. So they stood on the steps and swapped shorts, his being a few inches longer - apparently male bare knees pose no problem in the eyes of the Lord, only female ones. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/28 "2004-05-15T14:49:55Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > Where in Catholic doctrine is there a ban on visible cleavage? They don’t ban cleavage so much as they deny the existence of breasts altogether. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/29 "2004-05-15T14:51:39Z")
I get the vibe in the video that mom is quite proud of her her busty adolescent’s physical development, and is very much onboard with a “flaunt it if you’ve got it” attitude, despite their protestation that they “shopped for weeks” to find a less revealing dress and failed. The discussion made clear that _Mom_ chose that dress. Female dopers. Is it really that diffcult to find a suitable graduation type dress that isn’t low cut? ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/30 "2004-05-15T14:53:38Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > Where in Catholic doctrine is there a ban on visible cleavage? Must. Resist. Urge. To. Make. Jokes. About. The. Vatican’s. Alleged. Hidden. Porn. Collection. As a former student of two types of parochial schools (Nation Of Islam and Catholic) I know from first hand experience how females are expected to dress conservatively. At the NOI summer school in Detroit I attended, the girls at the masjid (teachers, too) couldn’t even wear makeup or show their HAIR, let alone legs and cleavage. The students wouldn’t have even been allowed a dance. You can’t make contemporary judgments about the acceptability of a woman’s appearance in male dominated religious orders by any standard other than the prevailing one of their culture – which typically is very conservative, requires full-length dress, covers the hair and certainly bundles up the twins. ---
**Author:** ![Calliope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Calliope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calliope)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/31 "2004-05-15T14:54:16Z")
Well, the school did said no cleavage, so I guess she should have worn a high neck dress. But FWIW, I showed both of my extremely conservative daughters (ages 10 and 13) the pictures and they were both shocked that anyone considered that dress revealing. These are girls who won’t show their navels and won’t wear short shorts. If they say it’s not revealing, I have to believe them. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/32 "2004-05-15T14:55:10Z")
Thats not revealing. Wait until she gets to college, its almost required that you dress like a prostitute there. ---
**Author:** ![janiejungletemptress](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecae2f/32.png) [@janiejungletemptress](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/janiejungletemptress)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/33 "2004-05-15T15:06:13Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Female dopers. Is it really that diffcult to find a suitable graduation type dress that isn’t low cut? No. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/34 "2004-05-15T15:14:29Z")
The dress she wore could have been made acceptable by sewing a small piece of contrasting fabric into the neckline. Might have added a little more color and dash to the dress, too. Didn’t her mother ever learn to sew? Hell, I’m a guy and I know that much! At the public school I teach at, that dress would be considered very modest. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/35 "2004-05-15T15:16:08Z")
The Cotton Hill in me says “WHOOOOOWEEE! CLING PEACHES IN HEAVY SYRUP!” Otherwise tho, while I don’t think the dress is really too revealing, anti-cleavage rules were clearly put forth. There does exist such things as scarves & shawls which could have accessorized the dress & covered the cleavage. She & her Mom are :wally es (yeah, I know what the word technically actually means _L_) ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/36 "2004-05-15T15:51:31Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > Reminds me of a couple I knew who were refused entry to San Marco, Venice, because her shorts revealed her knees. So they stood on the steps and swapped shorts, his being a few inches longer - apparently male bare knees pose no problem in the eyes of the Lord, only female ones. :rolleyes: Hold on a sec. Stood on the steps? As in, out in public? And swapped shorts? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/37 "2004-05-15T15:54:00Z")
> [@Tabby\_Cat](#): > > Hold on a sec. Stood on the steps? As in, out in public? And swapped shorts? :eek: Yes. In the middle of the steps of San Marco, just to say ‘fuck their stupid rules’. Unfortunately, no, she wasn’t good looking 😛 ---
**Author:** ![AngelicGemma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@AngelicGemma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelicGemma)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/38 "2004-05-15T17:30:39Z")
> [@Wesley Clark](#): > > Thats not revealing. Wait until she gets to college, its almost required that you dress like a prostitute there. It _is_?! Why did no one warn me? Time to go shopping for a new wardrobe before they kick me out. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/39 "2004-05-15T17:36:55Z")
Considering the ability of 13 year old boys to get wood every time the wind blows, that’s going to be a long walk up to get their diploma if they just saw some rather large tittage. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2004, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236/40 "2004-05-15T18:03:38Z")
> [@janiejungletemptress](#): > > She is 13 for crying out loud. Not appropriate. Agreed. It’s one thing for an adult to wear a dress which shows cleavage. It’s another thing to dress up a 13-year-old girl this way. She’s barely in her teens, for pity’s sake! What’s more, she’s also going to be surrounded by dozens of horny teenaged and preteen boys and girls, most of whom have only the slightest grasp of human sexuality. Some of the liberals here may scoff, but I think this sends entirely the wrong message to the youngsters in question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/busty-13-year-old-booted-from-hs-grad-for-showing-too-much-cleavage-is-her-dress-ok/245236.md?page=3)