# But Bernie, Bernie Still **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 24, 2024, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248 "2024-06-24T02:58:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/121 "2024-06-27T01:40:57Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Personally, I think she did it to benefit her campaign. Well… duh. I mean, she didn’t help them with $10 million of loans and raise $80 million for her health. You are the one who said she did it for money. That’s fine, except… You are also the one who provided a citation (which I read) that said the DNC was broke-ass, and Hillary both bailed them out and raised a mountain of DNC cash with lavish fundraisers. Those two concepts are at odds with each other. Now, if you’re in a meeting with the DNC, and they tell you they’re dead broke, maybe a good thing to do is help them out since you will need them to be functional if you want to run for President as a Democrat. Also, maybe, since they’re obviously poorly run, you strike a deal for that bail out that gives you more control of what they do. Maybe she should have been fair and done it the Bernie way, raise money exclusively for her own campaign and let the DNC rot. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/122 "2024-06-27T01:44:10Z")
But, was she propping up the DNC so it could also benefit Sanders? The DNC is supposed to be neutral and help all candidates running as a democrat. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/123 "2024-06-27T02:05:39Z")
I imagine she was propping it up to benefit whoever was the democratic nominee, **and** fully expecting that person to be herself. She had the inside track on the superdelegates because she was a Senator, and the SoS, and a long time Democrat. She could call on all of these people to get their support. I imagine she was polling well enough among Dems to think she was going to win. Is it dirty pool to get more help from the DNC than her primary opponent? I guess, but really, is Bernie so naive as to think he declares himself a Democrat and instantly gets the same support as the person who has been supporting Democrats for decades? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/124 "2024-06-27T02:25:37Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > But, was she propping up the DNC so it could also benefit Sanders? I’m going to be cynical and say no. Though she was trying to win the nomination, and she didn’t break any laws. And the rules are whatever the DNC decides they are. If you want to say what they did was shitty, I can understand that. But at the same time they needed the help. You could say she bought her nomination, but so what. Every election we look at how much a candidate in a race can raise and see that as a positive thing most of the time. It’s pretty much how politics works. I can’t go out and get nominated for POTUS and have a shot without a ton of cash no matter how great my ideas or qualifications are. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/125 "2024-06-27T02:31:03Z")
I’d vote for you. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/126 "2024-06-27T04:17:40Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > But, was she propping up the DNC so it could also benefit Sanders? The DNC is supposed to be neutral and help all candidates running as a democrat. Nope. The DNC is there to help the best candidate win. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/127 "2024-06-27T04:32:26Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > You could say she bought her nomination, but so what. Every election we look at how much a candidate in a race can raise and see that as a positive thing most of the time. It’s pretty much how politics works. Should it be, though? Jamaal Bowman could have won, if it weren’t for AIPAC money. I guess we can’t have someone who doesn’t support atrocities. That’s not the American way. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/128 "2024-06-27T04:36:22Z")
Really? Obviously the Sanders’ campaign didn’t get the memo which is why they sued the DNC. Yes, they lost, but not because what you just said was apparent to them (or anyone). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/129 "2024-06-27T04:45:13Z")
Awesome, it’s a start! 👍 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/130 "2024-06-27T09:40:01Z")
Bowman was a bad fit for his district (it was a blue district but not a young and deep progressive district like AOC’s). Lots of old Jews in Westchester. He lost big - take away the AIPAC money and he still probably would have lost. He made a lot of dumb mistakes in the last year, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/131 "2024-06-27T17:32:34Z")
To be honest, I never really followed Bowman like the other progressives. I hear there was redistricting and some fire alarm drama I decided was too stupid to look into at the time. You’re right, the margins were larger then I thought. I bet the Dems regret spending that staggering amount on this race. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248/132 "2024-07-01T21:34:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Bernie lost because slightly more Democrats preferred Hillary. Slightly? She got 55% of the vote and 59% of the delegates. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-bernie-bernie-still/1003248.md?page=6)