# But, his emails!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202 "2018-03-07T20:40:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/1 "2018-03-07T20:40:19Z")
Via the [Indianapolis Star](https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/02/pence-used-personal-email-state-business----and-hacked/98604904/): > [@](#): > > Vice President Mike Pence routinely used a private email account to conduct public business as governor of Indiana, at times discussing sensitive matters and homeland security issues. > > Emails released to IndyStar in response to a public records request show Pence communicated via his personal AOL account with top advisers on topics ranging from security gates at the governor’s residence to the state’s response to terror attacks across the globe. In one email, Pence’s top state homeland security adviser relayed an update from the FBI regarding the arrests of several men on federal terror-related charges. > [@](#): > > Cybersecurity experts say Pence’s emails were likely just as insecure as Clinton’s. While there has been speculation about whether Clinton’s emails were hacked, Pence’s account was actually compromised last summer by a scammer who sent an email to his contacts claiming Pence and his wife were stranded in the Philippines and in urgent need of money. A very big deal when your opponent does it, but not a big deal when your VP does it, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/2 "2018-03-07T20:48:42Z")
YOu know that link’s a year old, right? Yup, the right are all hypocrites. We know. They probably know too. They just don’t care because “fuck Hilary Clinton and fuck you too.” ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/3 "2018-03-07T20:56:31Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > YOu know that link’s a year old, right? _facepalm_ That’s what I get for following chains of links. I saw that the date (March 2) was recent, and didn’t even think about looking at the year. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/4 "2018-03-07T21:00:28Z")
Just for the record: > [@](#): > > …Pence’s account was actually compromised last summer by a scammer who sent an email to his contacts claiming Pence and his wife were stranded in the Philippines and in urgent need of money. This doesn’t actually mean that Pence’s e-mail account was compromised. The same thing could have happened if the e-mail of any of his contacts was compromised, and most often that’s the way it’s done. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/5 "2018-03-07T21:57:09Z")
He uses AOL. That should be a crime in and of itself. Yeah, I know verizon mail is now AOL mail, and it might be an innocent mishap. But still… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/6 "2018-03-07T22:26:13Z")
Hope Hicks says her email was hacked. > **[Hicks told House intel committee she was hacked, sources say](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/hope-hicks-told-house-intelligence-committee-she-was-hacked-sources-n854601)** > > Hope Hicks told the House Intelligence Committee last week that one of her email accounts was hacked, sources said. Lock her up! ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/7 "2018-03-07T23:46:07Z")
I won’t defend the behavior or anything, but security flaws are a bit more problematic for a Secretary of State than a governor of Indiana. Maybe ISIS will sabotage their corn and college basketball reserves. ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/8 "2018-03-09T15:58:27Z")
Lock him up! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/9 "2018-03-09T18:19:13Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > YOu know that link’s a year old, right? > > Yup, the right are all hypocrites. We know. They probably know too. They just don’t care because “fuck Hilary Clinton and fuck you too.” You might as well ask why Eliot Spitzer was forced to resign, but Stormy Daniels is “Ho\* hum nothing to see here.” \*Pun unintended but acknowledged ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/10 "2018-03-09T19:49:37Z")
I’m neither a Clinton nor a Pence fan, but it seems worth pointing out that: 1. The Secretary of State deals with many things that are Top Secret and/or relevant to the strategies that the US is trying to take across the globe. 2. The Governor of Indiana does not. Now, perhaps there is some sort of rule that his emails need to use the government email address, for purposes of record keeping and the ability to respond to transparency requests. But, in general, I think that the concerns about a state governor are going to be lower than those of the Secretary of State. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/11 "2018-03-09T19:53:22Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > You might as well ask why Eliot Spitzer was forced to resign, but Stormy Daniels is “Ho\* hum nothing to see here.” > > \*Pun unintended but acknowledged Whatever Trump did there was as a private citizen. Spitzer was Governor during and did financial transactions that were probably innocuous but not seen as such at the time. Still, the Stormy Daniels thing should be bigger news. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/12 "2018-03-09T20:03:20Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’m neither a Clinton nor a Pence fan, but it seems worth pointing out that: > > 1. The Secretary of State deals with many things that are Top Secret and/or relevant to the strategies that the US is trying to take across the globe. > 2. The Governor of Indiana does not. > > Now, perhaps there is some sort of rule that his emails need to use the government email address, for purposes of record keeping and the ability to respond to transparency requests. But, in general, I think that the concerns about a state governor are going to be lower than those of the Secretary of State. A very fair point, but given that Pence was a vocal critic of Clinton for the email issue, _and_ that it appears that some of his emails were, while not necessarily Top Secret, apparently of a sensitive nature (relating to homeland security, among other topics), it’s hypocrisy, if nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/13 "2018-03-09T21:52:36Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Whatever Trump did there was as a private citizen. … A private citizen who was a few days away from a national election in which he was a major party candidate, when hush money was paid to a porn star. That private citizen was subject to actual laws concerning campaign finance—laws which he does appear to have violated in the course of paying off the porn star. So Trump’s alleged affair with the porn star may fall under the parameters of having taken place when he was a private citizen, with the implication that it’s not worthy of investigation. The payoff: not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/14 "2018-03-09T22:35:53Z")
In other “but, his emails!” news, [there’s this:](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/03/09/new-evidence-the-stormy-daniels-payment-may-have-violated-election-law/?utm_term=.75892fb21a52) > [@WaPo](#): > > One short, newly revealed email from a Manhattan banker just made it much more likely that the $130,000 payment to porn star Stormy Daniels shortly before the 2016 election violated federal law. > > NBC News on Friday reported that Michael Cohen, President Trump’s longtime ally and attorney, had used a Trump Organization email address as he worked to secure the payment to Daniels. Daniels alleges the money was paid to keep her from telling the media about a sexual relationship she had with Trump; Cohen and Trump continue to deny that relationship. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/15 "2018-03-09T22:42:18Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > A private citizen who was a few days away from a national election in which he was a major party candidate, when hush money was paid to a porn star. That private citizen was subject to actual laws concerning campaign finance—laws which he does appear to have violated in the course of paying off the porn star. > > So Trump’s alleged affair with the porn star may fall under the parameters of having taken place when he was a private citizen, with the implication that it’s not worthy of investigation. The payoff: not so much. Okay, the alleged affair was 12 years ago but I missed that the payoff was that recent. Sketchy indeed. But Trump seems to have success with the [Monty Burns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0euMFAWF8)/[Conservation of Ninjutsu](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsu) scandal policy - the more potential scandals that exist drown out any individual message and effectively cancel out. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/16 "2018-03-09T23:19:54Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Okay, the alleged affair was 12 years ago but I missed that the payoff was that recent. Sketchy indeed. But Trump seems to have success with the [Monty Burns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0euMFAWF8)/[Conservation of Ninjutsu](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsu) scandal policy - the more potential scandals that exist drown out any individual message and effectively cancel out. Yeah, that’s a good one for him to go with–he’s got no shortage of scandals to serve up. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-his-emails/810202/17 "2018-03-11T13:40:01Z")
Hacked E-mail? _hacked E-mail!_ Illicit sexual affair? _Illicit sexual affair!_ I am disappointed to see otherwise intelligent Dopers jump out of the woodwork whining “No! Our side doesn’t do it too. The Demos are the bad guys. Ha ha ha.” Sheeeezh.