# But...Obama Was Going To Take All The Guns! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 16, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405 "2013-01-16T18:23:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/281 "2013-01-26T08:22:34Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > I’ve never been championing the AWB, I think all handguns should be banned for civilians and only shotguns and rifles with limited capacity magazines allowed. No one needs more. We’re not particularly impressed by your appraisal of what you think we need. “You don’t need it, so I want to take it away from you” will never be convincing. You don’t need a car that can go faster than 25 miles per hour, but you don’t see me clamoring to empty your driveway, even though we’d save a lot of lives that way. > [@rogerbox](#): > > If you don’t think handguns should be banned, you’d prefer easy mass shootings and gang warfare than for your toy to be illegal. You don’t have to say it, it’s what you’d believe. Wrong, try again. We could cut the balls off of gang warfare by ending the war on drugs and working to right the social inequalities that propagate urban cultures of violence. I’ll be the first to admit that handgun licensing and registration might help too, in the long run, but it’s either ignorant or dishonest of you to claim that, because we insist in strong terms that a law-abiding person still be able to own a handgun, we “prefer” mass shootings and gang warfare. Please, retire this absurd false dichotomy. We’re reacting with natural defensiveness because you’re calling for us to give up our rights in the name of solving a problem that is as much your fault as it is ours. > [@rogerbox](#): > > I was talking about any gun where within a few moment you can kill 28 people, so high capacity rifles and pistols which are not neccessary for defense at all but make excellent mass murder tools. Tell me something, how is 28 in a matter of minutes worse than two hundred in a week? Especially since those few minutes of terror happen but once in a while, but that week repeats itself fifty-two times every year? You’re engaging in selective outrage, driven not by facts or by concern for safety but by some kind of abstract moralizing. How many times do you think I’ve heard the same echoes from the right wing? It’s tiresome; you’re the same as they are. > [@rogerbox](#): > > I already said it would be decades before guns would be hard enough for criminals to get for us to achieve the minimum levels of gun homicides seen in western Europe which has gone through similar bans. You know, if you just set aside inner city gang violence, our murder rate is not much different from those of western European countries. Unless you’re in a gang, you’re about as safe as anyone in Britain; quite possibly safer, depending on where you live. Is that fair? No, not really; but then again it took a bunch of white kids getting shot for you and yours to suddenly get a strong opinion on the “gun violence” problem again, so make of it what you will. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/282 "2013-01-26T10:15:35Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > We’re not particularly impressed by your appraisal of what you think we need. “You don’t need it, so I want to take it away from you” will never be convincing. You don’t need a car that can go faster than 25 miles per hour, but you don’t see me clamoring to empty your driveway, even though we’d save a lot of lives that way. I don’t really give a fuck what you think about what you need, all gun nuts are too fargone to be negotiated with, society is changing and progressives will win as we almost always do, and you will be dragged kicking and screaming to give up your precious guns and eventually there won’t be a school shooting so often and the ghettos will get more liveable like in Europe and nobody will miss it but the ass backwards south. > [@](#): > > Wrong, try again. We could cut the balls off of gang warfare by ending the war on drugs and working to right the social inequalities that propagate urban cultures of violence. I’ll be the first to admit that handgun licensing and registration might help too, in the long run, but it’s either ignorant or dishonest of you to claim that, because we insist in strong terms that a law-abiding person still be able to own a handgun, we “prefer” mass shootings and gang warfare. Please, retire this absurd false dichotomy. We’re reacting with natural defensiveness because you’re calling for us to give up our rights in the name of solving a problem that is as much your fault as it is ours. People who have never thought civilians should have guns are zero percent culpable for school shootings and other gun homicides. ZERO. > [@](#): > > Tell me something, how is 28 in a matter of minutes worse than two hundred in a week? Especially since those few minutes of terror happen but once in a while, but that week repeats itself fifty-two times every year? You’re engaging in selective outrage, driven not by facts or by concern for safety but by some kind of abstract moralizing. How many times do you think I’ve heard the same echoes from the right wing? It’s tiresome; you’re the same as they are. I’m from one of the worst neighborhoods in Chicago, asshole. I didn’t wake up and fucking realize guns are not good for society because of Sandy Gate. > [@](#): > > You know, if you just set aside inner city gang violence, our murder rate is not much different from those of western European countries. Unless you’re in a gang, you’re about as safe as anyone in Britain; quite possibly safer, depending on where you live. I know this might be hard to believe but some of us don’t think Gang Members should be murdering each other either since they’re also human beings and it’s, get this, a fucking crime. And Gang Members are the only ones so far who have waived guns in my face and threatened to shoot me, so it fucking matters that gang members have guns. Some people have no choice but to live in their neighborhoods which would be a lot safer without the guns. > [@](#): > > Is that fair? No, not really; but then again it took a bunch of white kids getting shot for you and yours to suddenly get a strong opinion on the “gun violence” problem again, so make of it what you will. You have absolutely no reason to think that, _and you’re wrong._ It’s fucking hilarious the people I have lost to gun violence and you’re assuming little white kids in Sandy Hook is why I fucking think people should not have handguns. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/283 "2013-01-26T10:58:26Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > I don’t really give a fuck what you think about what you need, all gun nuts are too fargone to be negotiated with, society is changing and progressives will win as we almost always do, and you will be dragged kicking and screaming to give up your precious guns and eventually there won’t be a school shooting so often and the ghettos will get more liveable like in Europe and nobody will miss it but the ass backwards south. Take a deep breath. Make yourself a cup of tea. Sit down. Sip slowly. Feeling better? Perhaps you only think I’m too far gone to be negotiated with because your own ideas are too extreme to suffer any self-reflection or critical analysis, and you’re just not interested in looking at facts or reasons or trying to understand anyone else’s point of view (though I and others like me have repeatedly offered compromise) because your high-strung emotions tell you what to think, and by golly, if they’re good enough for you, they’re good enough to be forced on everyone. But needless to say, I vote. Millions of people like me vote. We lobby. We rally. We write our representatives. You’re welcome to oppose us; perhaps one day you’ll win. Or we will. Me, I still look for reasonable middle ground, informed by facts and not hysteria, that preserves enough of regulation and of liberty to make us both grumble. But I don’t feel any need to indulge myself in fantasies of you weeping bitterly at some dreamed-of final victory for the second amendment, nor to fling such fantasies in your face in an effort to make you lose your temper. > [@rogerbox](#): > > People who have never thought civilians should have guns are zero percent culpable for school shootings and other gun homicides. ZERO. And I’m not responsible for the actions of anybody who unjustifiably takes a life, no matter what weapon they used. But you missed the point. > [@rogerbox](#): > > I’m from one of the worst neighborhoods in Chicago, asshole. I didn’t wake up and fucking realize guns are not good for society because of Sandy Gate. I grew up in a place where guns are commoner than people; I live in a city on the west coast with very liberal gun laws, where a person can wear a handgun on their hip without even needing a license to do so. (Folks here can also smoke marijuana and marry members of the same sex if they’ve got an inclination.) We’re quite safe over here. I’m sorry things are so bad where you are, but the availability of guns ain’t necessarily a cause of the violence, or else we’d be having an even worse time than Chicago. > [@rogerbox](#): > > I know this might be hard to believe but some of us don’t think Gang Members should be murdering each other either since they’re also human beings and it’s, get this, a fucking crime. Well guess what, I think the same way. I only brought it up out of bitterness that thousands of deaths every year are blithely ignored except by a few, but if a dozen or so happen in the same place and the same time, suddenly it’s the freaking gunpocalypse. And you know what, I’m sorry that I made that slanted comment implying that you were willing to overlook the symptoms of social inequality. It was an ugly and unjustified thing for me to say, and a sign that I was starting to lose my cool. For what it’s worth, I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/284 "2013-01-26T15:58:40Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > I don’t really give a fuck what you think about what you need, all gun nuts are too fargone to be negotiated with, society is changing and progressives will win as we almost always do, and you will be dragged kicking and screaming to give up your precious guns and eventually there won’t be a school shooting so often and the ghettos will get more liveable like in Europe and nobody will miss it but the ass backwards south. As a pro Obama gun owning liberal, you really scare me. Your shrill fear mongering is just the opposite of what should be happening. It’s quite clear that you know nothing about guns, and that is also a bit worrisome. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/285 "2013-01-26T16:18:49Z")
This research you guys are so proud of, got anything in this century? And when they ask the respondent if they have used a gun in self-defense, and they said “Yes” did anyone ask which police department they reported it to? Does anyone think that someone who owns a gun is more likely to be “pro-gun” than someone who does not? Any chance that this fact colors their responses? And again, we are faced with a conundrum. People who absitively, posolutely believe that research will solidly support their favored positions sabotage any effort to perform such research. That this fact demonstrates, yet again, that Cognitive Dissonance is the number one threat to the Republic need not be mentioned. But I will anyway… ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/286 "2013-01-26T19:12:52Z")
> [@Klaatu](#): > > Can you at least give me a choice, if a crazed crackhead with an illegally acquired gun breaks my door down with full intent to rob my house and hurt me and my wife and 3 yr old cute baby girl (Think about your own little cutie babies) because I can’t get to my gun safe and take the trigger lock off to use my legal guns before I get shot"? Sorry, was that a question? ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/287 "2013-01-26T19:17:41Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > There may not be that many people who believe that Obama wants to ban all guns, but if that’s true then I must be Facebook friends with every single one of them. You and me both. Gun control, this year’s Chick-Fil-A. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/288 "2013-01-27T01:06:35Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > I’ve never been championing the AWB, I think all handguns should be banned for civilians and only shotguns and rifles with limited capacity magazines allowed. No one needs more. > … > I don’t disagree with you. Then do you at least realize how unrealistic it is to insist that we confiscate everyone’s handguns and high capacity magazines, even in THIS environment? In light of this, do you agree that you are making the passage of reasonable registration, licensing and background check requirements less likely because these reasonable measures are getting lumped together with the unlikely and idiotic measures being proposed (like AWB, a handgun ban would be even less popular). Politics is the art of the possible but gun control advocates are abandoning the possible REAL GOOD they could do to satisfy their desire to ban guns of some sort no matter how ineffective the ban would be. > [@](#): > > If you don’t think handguns should be banned, you’d prefer easy mass shootings and gang warfare than for your toy to be illegal. You don’t have to say it, it’s what you’d believe. Bullshit. National registration, background checks and licensing requirements will reduce the number of guns in criminal hands over time. You seem to think the only way to reduce gun violence is to make guns illegal. And maybe you are right, after a few decades, the inventory of guns in the hands of criminals will go down as they get confiscated or break down. What do you think happens during those decades? > [@](#): > > I was talking about any gun where within a few moment you can kill 28 people, so high capacity rifles and pistols which are not neccessary for defense at all but make excellent mass murder tools. You seem to think it takes some significant amount of time to change a magazine. Are you SURE you’re a recreational shooter (or did one of your friends take you to the shooting range one time)? > [@](#): > > I already said it would be decades before guns would be hard enough for criminals to get for us to achieve the minimum levels of gun homicides seen in western Europe which has gone through similar bans. And once again, what do you think happens in the meantime? > [@](#): > > At least they have SOME competency tests, background checks and mental illness screening unlike the moronic fucking youtubers who can buy unlimited killing weapons unchecked at gunshows (but from what I’ve heard they’re still pretty terrible shots usually). Once again, I am perfectly happy to have universal background checks. I happy to have licensing requirements. I’m even happy to have everyone register their guns the same way you would register your car. > [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > How many times do you think I’ve heard the same echoes from the right wing? It’s tiresome; you’re the same as they are. To be fair, the left doesn’t find itself in the position of defending ridiculous positions as frequently as the right because facts just happen to have a liberal bias. > [@enipla](#): > > As a pro Obama gun owning liberal, you really scare me. > > Your shrill fear mongering is just the opposite of what should be happening. It’s quite clear that you know nothing about guns, and that is also a bit worrisome. So you don’t think he is a recreational shooter like he claims? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/289 "2013-01-27T01:21:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > This research you guys are so proud of, got anything in this century? And when they ask the respondent if they have used a gun in self-defense, and they said “Yes” did anyone ask which police department they reported it to? Does anyone think that someone who owns a gun is more likely to be “pro-gun” than someone who does not? Any chance that this fact colors their responses? > > And again, we are faced with a conundrum. People who absitively, posolutely believe that research will solidly support their favored positions sabotage any effort to perform such research. That this fact demonstrates, yet again, that Cognitive Dissonance is the number one threat to the Republic need not be mentioned. But I will anyway… So now the research has to be within the last twelve years? What exactly do you think has changed in the last 20 years that would make the original research invalid? You ask for cite so you are presented with a cite about a research poll conducted by the Department of Justice and you think the deck is somehow rigged? Frankly, you’re the one who seem ready to ignore evidence that is contrary to your favored position. So where is YOUR cite? I remember how much we all laughed when Republicans were trying argue against the validity of polls because the polls didn’t support their position. You got better data? Lets see it or just admit you are simply not open minded to new ideas, its OK, neither are Rick Santorum and Michelle Bachman, you’re in good company. Just for the record, what do you consider convincing evidence? ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/290 "2013-01-27T01:46:22Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > As a pro Obama gun owning liberal, you really scare me. > > Your shrill fear mongering is just the opposite of what should be happening. It’s quite clear that you know nothing about guns, and that is also a bit worrisome. Really, how is it quite clear? Because I don’t like them? I’ve fired a Colt .38, Sig P-229 with a laser sight, A Nazi slave made 9mm Luger and a CZ-75. I’m sure I’m forgetting other guns, people at the range are usually pretty cool about letting you fire try their gun out if they can try yours. I go shoot around twice a year, I’m definitely a very casual shooter but I’m quite a good shot and I know a little bit about guns. So please tell me how it’s so obvious I don’t know anything about guns. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/291 "2013-01-27T05:20:20Z")
Why would anyone put a laser sight on a pistol? Seems like putting a scope on a shotgun. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/292 "2013-01-27T05:48:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > …Do you lock your doors and windows at night? How do you live like that?.. Perhaps that question deserves an answer, I had been thinking it didn’t. No, as a general rule, I don’t bother. Well, my windows are sealed, from enemies both relentless and unforgiving. Bitter cold in the Minnesota winter, and mosquitoes in the summer. Spring, not so bad, and if it falls on a Sunday, even better. I’ve been mugged, been robbed at gunpoint. Jacked my mind around severely, I am not ashamed to tell you. Like when I was driving cab, and another cabbie got killed. Happened every few years or so. Even got a compact pistol, a .32, fit in my kit. And then this guy jumped in my cab and everything about him set off my clanging claxons, aaarrroooga! Damn near died that night. Because I was so busy watching him in the rear view mirror, I wasn’t keeping my attention where it belongs. Fear rots the mind, gnaws at your humanity like a rat. It ain’t worth it. So, how do I live like that? Pretty easy. Perhaps its easier because I have so little to steal, or maybe thats just a virtuous excuse for sloth. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/293 "2013-01-27T06:01:46Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Why would anyone put a laser sight on a pistol? Seems like putting a scope on a shotgun. It was completely unuseable. At any range beyond point blank range the dot jumped all over the place, I found more success just lining up the sights the traditional way and trying my best to ignore that stupid red dot jumping around all over the place. Until that day, I thought laser sights were cool. 😛 The P229 in .40 itself was butter, though. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/294 "2013-01-27T15:56:12Z")
Could be a fun game to play with a cat. Let him chase it in frustration, then let him catch it, and then…Surprise! Forty caliber is going to be a bit messy, though. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/295 "2013-01-27T16:44:20Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Because the cost of remodeling and designing a house to be a fortress is high, and the cost of being proficient with a firearm are low, comparatively. > If you take a [moment](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=20f_1357603519&comments=1)to [look](http://www.infowars.com/woman-defends-home-and-children-by-shooting-intruder-5-times/), [It,](http://www.examiner.com/article/armed-homeowner-shoots-intruders-while-children-have-sleepover)[happens,](http://www.news10.net/news/article/222195/2/Home-invasion-leaves-one-dead-in-Sacramentos-Pocket-neighborhood)[often,](http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/15-Year-Old-Boy-Uses-AR-15-To-Defend-House-Against-Burglars) [enough.](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/23/phoenix-boy-14-shoots-armed-intruder-while-watching-three-younger-siblings/) Oh, is it time to highlight individual news stories and pretend they prove something? OK doke. [http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-woman-loses-4th-child-gun-violence-050937554.html](http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-woman-loses-4th-child-gun-violence-050937554.html) **Chicago woman loses 4th child to gun violence** ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/296 "2013-01-27T17:13:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Show me the numbers, show me the thousands of cases of home invading thugs who are stymied by an armed resident. Double dog dare you. Not a home invasion but I thought this video was interesting. https://www.youtube.com/embed/PoDNJQtNVoc?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/297 "2013-01-27T17:24:00Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Not a home invasion but I thought this video was interesting. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player\_embedded&v=PoDNJQtNVoc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PoDNJQtNVoc) Not a home invasion, but I thought [_this_](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y628xnEm7LI) video was interesting. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/298 "2013-01-27T17:29:24Z")
A video for _Dr. Who_ fanatics may make a case for eugenics, but hardly gun control. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/299 "2013-01-27T17:41:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A video for _Dr. Who_ fanatics may make a case for eugenics, but hardly gun control. **Kable** was the one who started this non sequitur thing-quoting your request for home invasion evidence, then answering it with a video that wasn’t about home invasion. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/300 "2013-01-27T19:45:12Z")
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